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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:31 pm

I wonder how TD feels about the over protective mother issue? He was telling me about their predator problems on the U.P.

My son Nick had his own predator problems last night in the "Guest House".
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:53 am

Kent Powell wrote:
Proper calving facilities are a must for the profitability of a progressive seedstock operation. Individual pens out of the weather and away from scavenging critters are a sure sign of a caring professional cattleman. The seperation of the cow from the calf as soon as it is born is essential so proper tagging, weighing, vaccinating, permanent identification, NAIS compliance,source and age verification, DNA extraction, as well as any elective operations the progressive cattleman needs to perform. Perhaps some voluntary research projects for the collective good of the breed. Remember, force feeding bagged colostrum is reccomended, just to be on the safe side because the cow might not be happy when you let her back in with her calf. Remember, cows are not very smart. Caution must be practiced. When reintroducing the calf to his mother, remember, if the cow is not kind and loving to both the caretaker and the calf, and the sire of the cow is not a popular AI sire, it is a genetic issue which will require blame and scorn in a public chatroom toward lowly incompetant breeder of the sire. If the sire of the cow is a Proven AI sire, the fault must be your own. In the future, be sure to use only PROVEN AI sires from reputable AI companies. Rest assured, these management practices are completely necessary and any claims to the contrary are the remarks of a marginal producer, not a progressive cattleman.

April Fools practice in the realm and language of those to whom every day is April Fools Day.

KP- Where the only thing Progressive is the annoying commercial.

After watching all the calf chasing units on utube scaring hell out of cows, watching farmers fumble with shots, tags, and tubes...and reading the comments here; I believe most of the tagging is a necessity of a bureaucratic industry...as I laughed watching those little critters get chased down to satisfy the needs of someone else, I was so happy to be a gene pool breeder, and relatively speaking, own quite contented and responsible cows when left the hell alone...

three days old calf...


Calves are on the ground by her 2 yr old son; who is Bainville bound... his leaving might have caused me lots of consternation once about him being "rare and valuable", and might have asked the buyer lots of money once upon a time, but now I just scatter them about like Johnny Appleseed; and just sit here content like my cows; refilling the sack Smile

her half sister...hoping for the fourth full brother; the current one will breed cows; maybe heifers again here before heading west as well...the one in Ohio hopefully comes back home next year...the circle can only be broken by humans; the greatest predator on the earth



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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:30 pm

mom


3 yr old son...sorry to hear the 4 yr old went to market yesterday...the two yr old looks just like the picture below...


I`m hoping by crossing this white with Blythemaker`s white, that we can take the white off the udder, while putting a white spot in front of the navel...how cool it would be to have a natural brand idenifying that`s a Keeney Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:03 pm



3 yr old son...sorry to hear the 4 yr old went to market yesterday...the two yr old looks just like the picture below...


I`m hoping by crossing this white with Blythemaker`s white, that we can take the white off the udder, while putting a white spot in front of the navel...how cool it would be to have a natural brand idenifying that`s a Keeney Smile [/quote]

I believe that would definitely be a "KmA"!
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:35 pm

Rod,
some days I feel like I might have to KmA goodbye in the bull business; but you sure don`t have to be in the bull business to be in the cattle breeding business; and neither does one have to be in the bull buying business to be in the breeding business...so I gotta stay competitive with everyone who is just keeping their own; the handwriting is on the wall; and hell, it`s Larry`s fault Rolling Eyes Smile
I`m minimum pricing my yearlings this year @ $1800; $1700 picked up...when I go private treaty, my pricing formula for a yearling will roughly be April live futures {currently $1.26} x 1.5 x 1000 =$1890 {free 100 mile delivery}; might have to knock off $150 if picked up; unless there`s a good restaurant between me and the buyer; because that is a prerequisite of Linda`s before she will travel with me on a cattle trip... { O Canada, a sure exception; bought our tickets yesterday cheers }
Boy, I can wishfully imagine people lining up to pick bulls on the first day of my offering next year like they did here in KY for that bull welfare money...some camped out over night; my lazy ass cousin got up for the first time in his life at 4:00 AM...was eighth in line...take that back; he used to get up early to go fishing; never to work...take that back too; he never worked; he was employed...by the giverment Smile
Of course, if everyone accepts they are all the same, and will do the same, it`s not a problem one will have to deal with...
wanna give some odds on that happening? Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:09 pm

You're doing it all wrong Mike, no wonder you don't get ahead selling bulls Rolling Eyes I was reading just yesterday of a breed I'm very familiar with where a new breeder set a new breed record bull price when he paid $31,500 and a couple of breed record priced bred heifers for $5670 each. They are selling semen of course with the proud advert boast for their herd of "Strong lines ..... Lasting results"
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:41 pm

Iain,
what say you and others in regard to this quote?

“The common talk of the struggle for survival has obscured the plain fact that man rose in the world primarily by cooperating, not struggling with his fellow man ”

might it be, that the word cooperating should be replaced by conspiring ?

The common talk of the struggle for survival has obscured the plain fact that man rose in the world primarily by conspiring, not struggling with his fellow man

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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:08 am



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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:51 am

Good luck on your sale Mike.
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:09 am

W.T wrote:
Good luck on your sale Mike.

Wayne, my usual sale day staff {family} sends everyone a pic and writes guten tag with it...certainly, cattle breeding/selling is not their priority as they will return after the sale..poor scheduling on my part to have a sale on a spring break week-end according to Kristina Rolling Eyes ...Briann, Linda misses her shopping buddy; says you are missing out on some bargains Smile



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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:36 pm

the staff sends me best wishes from the town center...Rolling Eyes


it worked; all bulls passed semen check Friday Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:20 pm

Mike,
If we would have known that you were baching it, and you wouldn't be having this pesky sale...we could have thrown one wild and crazy keg party at the cabin Razz. Anyway, good luck on Saturday...I hope you soak those dumb commercial guys for all that their worth.

MV...giving MK some presale encouragement...just like the registurd guys do!
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:08 pm

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Mike,
If we would have known that you were baching it, and you wouldn't be having this pesky sale...we could have thrown one wild and crazy keg party at the cabin Razz. Anyway, good luck on Saturday...I hope you soak those dumb commercial guys for all that their worth.

MV...giving MK some presale encouragement...just like the registurd guys do!


So, Mike calls me up the other day and says, "Tom, you gotta come down to the sale, it's gonna be a hell of a party"

So I says, "Sounds good Mike, tell me some details"

He says, " Well, I gotta warn you, there's gonna be a lot of drinkin"

"That's O.K., I like drinkin"

"Well, there's probably also gonna be some fightin"

"That's O.K. , I like fightin' too"

"And there's gonna be some lovin' too"

I says, "Oh boy, drinkin', fightin', and lovin', sounds like my kind of a party! Hey Mike, what should I wear?"

"Oh hell, Tom, it don't matter, it's just gonna be the two of us."

Shocked

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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:20 pm

Drinking, Fighting and loving! Count me in Tom and Chris.( I promise we wont go to jail at least not to the same jail) Now if we can get Briann to go shopping with Mikes card we got it made. Now mike was just holding out on us or he is too old for one of the three. Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:47 pm

let`s make a little word change here...lovin`to livin`...and a song in your guys honor...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht8GwuMyzlo

don`t ever expect country music here just because I live in KY...I used to do a little California dreaming Smile

rock and roll forever cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:12 pm

MKeeney wrote:
let`s make a little word change here...lovin`to livin`...and a song in your guys honor...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht8GwuMyzlo

don`t ever expect country music here just because I live in KY...I used to do a little California dreaming Smile

rock and roll forever cheers

Now that was pretty good Mike but you just dont get better than some real good fiddle music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XafcAAPhuU0
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:14 pm

one more before closing...just for ole times sake...maybe the best song ever Smile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKuYTn9A6uk

mk, finally in the vicinity of eternal bliss from enlightenment instead of ignorance..
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:53 am

MKeeney wrote:
We just make cows...
so our cows can be the best cows...

After reading several bull sale advertisements the past month; I questioned why I was not buying bulls instead of selling bulls, because we cannot match the claims of those advertisements. But then we are reminded of genetic law, common sense, and even mathematical probability which says the more traits selected for, the slower the progress in any individual trait; and that even beneficial change has both a genetic and economic tradeoff. The sixteenth century gave rise to the universally applied aphorism “jack of all trades; master of none” and 250 years of cattle breeding has proven it`s application to genetics. In contrast, many commercial cattleman have shown a system of utilizing terminal and maternal types in complementarity crossbreeding programs to be a more profitable system of commercial production. Our breeding efforts have long been on mastering the cow side of the equation of such a system.

In a production oriented industry that tends to ignore costs, the female has long been relegated to secondary emphasis in cattle breeding even though her functional contribution and maintenance cost are the greatest economic factors in beef production. In a registered business driven by promoted change, we cannot out spend, out feed, out promote, out perform, or out shine the competition; but we have out lasted most all the “Jacks of all trades” pretending to make all the “jack” over the last 50 years by concentrating on commercial profitability instead of registered glory. Mastery of the cowherd is for the producer with a long term vision; and we welcome your call or visit... if you have aspirations of getting rich quick in the registered game, there are plenty others to help you out with that; be sure you know all the connotations of out.

Selling 35 yearling Model A bulls, and approximately 30 open Model A heifers; hope to see you on April 6, or anytime before to look and talk about...the cow.

thought I might should re-iterate just what the goal is...and remind those wanting Fenley semen to bring their tanks...and Tom, bring an apron; we gotta wash some dishes before we go party Friday night... Very Happy

wow...a new upgrade last night on internet explorer has put spell checker on posting here; I sure needed it cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:26 am

W.T wrote:
MKeeney wrote:
let`s make a little word change here...lovin`to livin`...and a song in your guys honor...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht8GwuMyzlo

don`t ever expect country music here just because I live in KY...I used to do a little California dreaming Smile

rock and roll forever cheers

Now that was pretty good Mike but you just dont get better than some real good fiddle music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XafcAAPhuU0

WT iffen you like fiddle music, ... PLUS lets you in on how I breed my cattle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MbRWAftsrc
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:15 am

larkota wrote:
W.T wrote:
MKeeney wrote:
let`s make a little word change here...lovin`to livin`...and a song in your guys honor...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht8GwuMyzlo

don`t ever expect country music here just because I live in KY...I used to do a little California dreaming Smile

rock and roll forever cheers

Now that was pretty good Mike but you just dont get better than some real good fiddle music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XafcAAPhuU0

WT iffen you like fiddle music, ... PLUS lets you in on how I breed my cattle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MbRWAftsrc

Nice Briann! Now if mike would give you his credit card? I am sure you could hire those boys to play at his sale and with a little free booze the avg would soar to heights, that would rival his most daunting competitors. Hell after a couple of years he would have such a tradition that no one would miss his sale. I can see them now the Jimmer and the boner, enjoying a nice pull from the jug. And i am sure he could find a Nice Preacher to forgive them on Sunday after the sale. lol! lol! lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:16 pm

MKeeney wrote:
MKeeney wrote:
We just make cows...
so our cows can be the best cows...

After reading several bull sale advertisements the past month; I questioned why I was not buying bulls instead of selling bulls, because we cannot match the claims of those advertisements. But then we are reminded of genetic law, common sense, and even mathematical probability which says the more traits selected for, the slower the progress in any individual trait; and that even beneficial change has both a genetic and economic tradeoff. The sixteenth century gave rise to the universally applied aphorism “jack of all trades; master of none” and 250 years of cattle breeding has proven it`s application to genetics. In contrast, many commercial cattleman have shown a system of utilizing terminal and maternal types in complementarity crossbreeding programs to be a more profitable system of commercial production. Our breeding efforts have long been on mastering the cow side of the equation of such a system.

In a production oriented industry that tends to ignore costs, the female has long been relegated to secondary emphasis in cattle breeding even though her functional contribution and maintenance cost are the greatest economic factors in beef production. In a registered business driven by promoted change, we cannot out spend, out feed, out promote, out perform, or out shine the competition; but we have out lasted most all the “Jacks of all trades” pretending to make all the “jack” over the last 50 years by concentrating on commercial profitability instead of registered glory. Mastery of the cowherd is for the producer with a long term vision; and we welcome your call or visit... if you have aspirations of getting rich quick in the registered game, there are plenty others to help you out with that; be sure you know all the connotations of out.

Selling 35 yearling Model A bulls, and approximately 30 open Model A heifers; hope to see you on April 6, or anytime before to look and talk about...the cow.

thought I might should re-iterate just what the goal is...and remind those wanting Fenley semen to bring their tanks...and Tom, bring an apron; we gotta wash some dishes before we go party Friday night... Very Happy

wow...a new upgrade last night on internet explorer has put spell checker on posting here; I sure needed it cheers


I've heard of paying for a meal by washing dishes, but I've never been to a bull sale where that was an option.
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:28 pm

making a few sale notes
Wednesday build pens
Thursday cut out sale heifers
Friday visitors; eat at lee`s ford Friday night
I can`t figure which day to clean house...then Linda sends flowers



this could have been my sale facility if I had not gotten caught up in this tru-line thing Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:40 pm

MKeeney wrote:
MKeeney wrote:
We just make cows...
so our cows can be the best cows...

After reading several bull sale advertisements the past month; I questioned why I was not buying bulls instead of selling bulls, because we cannot match the claims of those advertisements. But then we are reminded of genetic law, common sense, and even mathematical probability which says the more traits selected for, the slower the progress in any individual trait; and that even beneficial change has both a genetic and economic tradeoff. The sixteenth century gave rise to the universally applied aphorism “jack of all trades; master of none” and 250 years of cattle breeding has proven it`s application to genetics. In contrast, many commercial cattleman have shown a system of utilizing terminal and maternal types in complementarity crossbreeding programs to be a more profitable system of commercial production. Our breeding efforts have long been on mastering the cow side of the equation of such a system.

In a production oriented industry that tends to ignore costs, the female has long been relegated to secondary emphasis in cattle breeding even though her functional contribution and maintenance cost are the greatest economic factors in beef production. In a registered business driven by promoted change, we cannot out spend, out feed, out promote, out perform, or out shine the competition; but we have out lasted most all the “Jacks of all trades” pretending to make all the “jack” over the last 50 years by concentrating on commercial profitability instead of registered glory. Mastery of the cowherd is for the producer with a long term vision; and we welcome your call or visit... if you have aspirations of getting rich quick in the registered game, there are plenty others to help you out with that; be sure you know all the connotations of out.

Selling 35 yearling Model A bulls, and approximately 30 open Model A heifers; hope to see you on April 6, or anytime before to look and talk about...the cow.

thought I might should re-iterate just what the goal is...and remind those wanting Fenley semen to bring their tanks...and Tom, bring an apron; we gotta wash some dishes before we go party Friday night... Very Happy

wow...a new upgrade last night on internet explorer has put spell checker on posting here; I sure needed it cheers


going to try and make the sale Mike...and bring back some of the Fenley semen also.
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:22 am

had some TN visitors yesterday Travis; they`ve got 30 of my cows right along the road right in the midst of a big spending outfit...we`ll see who last longest in the cattle business...they are smart enough, and young enough, to spread the concept of "gene pool" breeding instead of paper worship...
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:47 am

MKeeney wrote:
had some TN visitors yesterday Travis; they`ve got 30 of my cows right along the road right in the midst of a big spending outfit...we`ll see who last longest in the cattle business...they are smart enough, and young enough, to spread the concept of "gene pool" breeding instead of paper worship...

I'm betting on the TN folks...where are they located Mike?
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