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PostSubject: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:10 am

We just make cows...
so our cows can be the best cows...

After reading several bull sale advertisements the past month; I questioned why I was not buying bulls instead of selling bulls, because we cannot match the claims of those advertisements. But then we are reminded of genetic law, common sense, and even mathematical probability which says the more traits selected for, the slower the progress in any individual trait; and that even beneficial change has both a genetic and economic tradeoff. The sixteenth century gave rise to the universally applied aphorism “jack of all trades; master of none” and 250 years of cattle breeding has proven it`s application to genetics. In contrast, many commercial cattleman have shown a system of utilizing terminal and maternal types in complementarity crossbreeding programs to be a more profitable system of commercial production. Our breeding efforts have long been on mastering the cow side of the equation of such a system.

In a production oriented industry that tends to ignore costs, the female has long been relegated to secondary emphasis in cattle breeding even though her functional contribution and maintenance cost are the greatest economic factors in beef production. In a registered business driven by promoted change, we cannot out spend, out feed, out promote, out perform, or out shine the competition; but we have out lasted most all the “Jacks of all trades” pretending to make all the “jack” over the last 50 years by concentrating on commercial profitability instead of registered glory. Mastery of the cowherd is for the producer with a long term vision; and we welcome your call or visit... if you have aspirations of getting rich quick in the registered game, there are plenty others to help you out with that; be sure you know all the connotations of out.

Selling 35 yearling Model A bulls, and approximately 30 open Model A heifers; hope to see you on April 6, or anytime before to look and talk about...the cow.

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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:47 am

wouldn`t have mentioned the day
but since my birthday card from Linda said

Don`t think of us as getting older

Think of us as flower children gone to


SEED cheers

music for the occasion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0G8XJNz4bY

last week, got to see the revival of Hair the Musical
the greatest show ever cheers cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:37 am

thanks in advance for indulging me even more Smile



Those were the days , my friend...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KODZtjOIPg
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:26 pm

Mike this is John Lowe. Chad and I came up there the other day and I just wanted to thank you for showing us around. You have helped us, with youre knowledge and helped us aslo to understand more about cattle and doing it the right way. I recently went down to our farm, my families, and did some looking around, and think I may have it figured out where I would like to satrt. Again, thank you very much for youre knowledge and kindness. We hope to see you on the day of sale.
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:30 pm

316solowe wrote:
Mike this is John Lowe. Chad and I came up there the other day and I just wanted to thank you for showing us around. You have helped us, with youre knowledge and helped us aslo to understand more about cattle and doing it the right way. I recently went down to our farm, my families, and did some looking around, and think I may have it figured out where I would like to satrt. Again, thank you very much for youre knowledge and kindness. We hope to see you on the day of sale.

quick, fun visit John...thx for coming by; Chad has some nice pics to add of Korean "wagyu" type soon I hope...
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PostSubject: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:54 am

Where is the pics at?

Lets see those cows.

Mike

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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:27 pm

mikejd4020 wrote:
Where is the pics at?

Lets see those cows.

Mike


it`s been too muddy to get my clipping done Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:46 am

MKeeney wrote:
mikejd4020 wrote:
Where is the pics at?

Lets see those cows.

Mike


it`s been too muddy to get my clipping done Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

with your lack of hair at a young age and not shaving now ...would bet clipping was never a top priority.

Larkota...wondering if less hair would make me as sexy as MK ?? or just lazier ?


edit
gave up posting for Lent....on disadvantage. Very Happy Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:48 am

MKeeney wrote:
mikejd4020 wrote:
Where is the pics at?

Lets see those cows.

Mike


it`s been too muddy to get my clipping done Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

There is a entire thread that can give you some ideas on clipping Mike. Ask Larkota I think he had one hell of a idea something about cooking oil and baby powder, and spray bottles. It sounded pretty good they warmed the oil up a bit before sprying it all over the rump! Call for details.
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:03 pm

W.T wrote:
Ask Larkota I think he had one hell of a idea something about cooking oil and baby powder, and spray bottles. It sounded pretty good they warmed the oil up a bit before sprying it all over the rump! Call for details.


Sounds like a good Valentine's day!
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:26 am

Tom D wrote:
W.T wrote:
Ask Larkota I think he had one hell of a idea something about cooking oil and baby powder, and spray bottles. It sounded pretty good they warmed the oil up a bit before sprying it all over the rump! Call for details.


Sounds like a good Valentine's day!

Now Tom. That was at least a 3 page discussion on ACS. You should take things more serious, that was pretty high tech to finally learn to pull shit out of hair, and still have a beautiful hair coat to hide the flaws. they did say that OILS WORK WELL. So the next time you have a need to remove Shit from hair, you know know where to go.
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:46 pm




Oh...how this bull yearns for the good ole days back home at the cow spa in Nancy, KY.

MV...a bull management failure.
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:44 am

a pen of half-brothers sell by the same sire...the growthiest , heaviest bulls produced here in a long, long time...for better or worse; depending upon one`s needs...
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:49 pm

Nice head! I like the real world pic but the bull looks like he's weak in the heal from the head on pic.
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:13 pm

jsk wrote:
Nice head! I like the real world pic but the bull looks like he's weak in the heal from the head on pic.

Yes...heal weakness is a major problem in my tough environment Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:28 pm

Since I have determined that this will be my last Auction Sale...instigated by me anyway, who knows what the bank or the damn government might do some day Rolling Eyes ...I want to get the statement carved in KC so I won`t be backing up . The bulls, for the purposes intended, are becoming pretty uniform, and worth pretty much the same...yet an auction seems primarily designed to highlight the individual, instead of the gene pool. When I was more busy, the auction let me get a lot done in one day...now I have more time; fewer bulls; fewer locals since I quit the welfare programs made eligible with "registration" ; more phone buyers, and I can get tired in just one day, etc; this auction is the last ...private treaty will let me state way in advance what the bulls are going to cost, so those wasting money at other sales might think " for that amount, I could have had a V8..NO, NO, two KA bulls Very Happy
so, since this is the last, I also want it to be the happiest; to match how I feel about it all... so hang on; got some pics today...I hope to end as obtruse to the mainstream as ever before Very Happy


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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:34 pm

Let`s fill Pen 1 with the lightest bulls; those with "less performance"...you know, those that are alive after birth Smile all born from 2 yr olds...
crank up a little music in honor of the sire of the first three bulls; Rocket Man; ...he`s heading out west this summer to breed out his days in cooler climates ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LX7WrHCaUA

let`s give them a name just for the auld lang syne effect...before they become known as KmA1922;2008; and 2168... so impersonal; this genetic business as opposed to the registered business Rolling Eyes
introducing Martin


accompanied by Elton


back-upped by John


stay tuned for more after a commercial break Smile





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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:57 am

I started to name this 6309 son KA Sir David Copperfield, after the master of illusion... for everything appears just perfect here; even his dam, and his maternal sister; the bull even appears to talk Smile ...but we should know perfection is temporary, that it disappears into thin air just like a Copperfield tiger does at the whisk of a sheet...besides, I`ve have to clip him; wash the crap off his rear; and do all the other things any self-respecting bull or breeder should never have to endure...
so I just named him Joe...
for 38 years, my meek and stable best friend, applying the Golden Rule universally, without expecting even a mention for having done so...
Joe


there`s another 6309 in this pen; 7604...I`ll plagarize a phrase of LL`s I`ve remembered since the days of Laurent..."he casts the same shadow as Joe"...but if we hold him to the scrutiny of light, he`s not quite as pretty...run them together, and I doubt anyone could decipher between the calves...but uniformity isn`t worth anything in the seedstock world, is it??
pretty sells...even if it requires make-up...I`ll bet you taking some of these clipped-up, make-up bulls home after a few days is like waking up with...awww, better not go there Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:34 am

Rounding out this first pen of bulls will be the Unwanteds...for better or worse, depending on your wants, Unwanted is surely prepotent for type and characteristics...so much so, that I will make little attempt to photograph very many of the several in this pen...shpould have the pen sheets ready in a day or so...
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trust me; these bulls are small...big enough I suspect to make 1100 lb + cows from the general cow population in KY...

below is Mighty Mite; a leftover bull from last fall; born at 60 lb; a closer bred version through Unwanted`s dam...just how many unwanted bulls can I afford to use? Smile



but would he ever do wonders for the neighbor`s Hereford heifers in the background cheers






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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:14 pm

Pen 2 are a different , purposeful type...later maturing, athletic, virile; this years set better temperament than last years...they are about as obtruse to the current mainstream performance type as it gets... why? how about a yearling heifer that looks like a female instead of a Sherman tank?



83 will be as good as it gets in this pen...



when we half-sib bred them; they got more narrow...I wouldn`t sweat it; the dam is exquisite; good things come to those who wait...



looks like a couple days until a weather break before more pics..
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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:42 pm

several fall half sibs to this pen...Sweet Home Alabama

just click on the pic...


nice adjustment it appears...thx Michael for the video; hope to see you soon...and don`t forget...

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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:12 am

Mike, Im a small partime farmer on the taylor/adair co. line. I purchased 10 bred heifers from Danny Wilkerson last year, all bred to a bull he purchased from u.. The hefiers started calving the 1st of feb, i`m so impressed with the ease of calving an there growth. Im in need of a good bull, Danny offered the same bull, but i need my own. I would like to visit before ur sale, when is a good time? Thanks, Steve

Danny has been using my bulls a long, long time...and no, he`s never bought a "top-seller"... Rolling Eyes

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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:16 pm

These are bulls in Pen 3; they were bred to be model A by an older Shoshone bull; but I`m terming them model B because of the growth, muscle, and frame they exhibit. I would not use them on heifers; but we have kept a few daughters by the sire, and have found them to be, what we expect these sons to sire...larger cows of a functional type, with good udders.

lot 14


from a bigger, high producing cow that has had a calf every year; but crippled now at 14 years of age. Is having a calf every year meaningful as to this bull`s likelyhood of passing that fertility to his daughters? Kit Pharo says so...what genetic principle, rather than marketing, would enhance the possibility? I would discount it totally; except the only half sib to this cow in the herd has done the same...but from two cows; through one yearing bull, to that bull`s daughters? give me a friggin` break Exclamation

lot 39


so this bull is from a 12 year old, perfect udder cow that has had a calf every year as well; and damn good ones to boot...yes Brent, you got last years calf...this bull is limping; if they don`t stop fighting; he could be crippled by sale day...

lot 70


and this bull is from the "never miss" 18 year old dam of Sniff the Wind...he has position one at the feed trough reserved ; usually by getting there first; if not, butt the winner out of his spot? does that kind of "performance" make him a materal candidate?
now to an 18 yr old cow...LL would give her a minus 18 on his longevity scale based on Old Grannie`s 36 years, but I would mutiply the 18 x .1 heritability, and find her only minus 1.8 years behind Old Grannie on her liklihood of producing daughters that last...or only plus .4 likely to add longevity greater than the crippled dam of lot 14...now if I had ten of ten daughters by a bull that lived to be 18 years old, that would mean the heritability would be increased, and that would take on some real meaning, eh?

oh hell, why not just buy them on whether you like their looks or not? because 19 times of 20, the next buyer is going to buy them that very way also... Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:35 pm

parent stock on the left....and the best maternal production stock in general ever on the farm; on the right...

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PostSubject: Re: Keeney Angus 2013 Spring Sale April 6, 2013   Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:34 pm

Unwanted sires some bulls that look like this one that weighed 675 lbs at weaning from a 3 year old...I remember the last time I saw a calf elsewhere somewhat like this he was promoted to be a legend until his progeny proved otherwise...I remember another Unwanted outlier like this calf that a buyer was all excited about; was even more excited when the birthweights were above average...isn`t it funny how often we think we can get more, and keep what we had?
I`m relegating this calf and a couple more like him to
Pen 4 status...certainly nice bulls; apply some caution if breeding heifers



also in Pen 4 are some bulls bred like Pen 2 that have lighter birthweights and haven`t grown as big as their sire group...they should be fine on heifers and look like the bull below...



Keeney Angus is about marketing a concept and the reality of cattle breeding...pretty blunt sometimes, to the point that when TomD
wrote he was using some KmA in his future plans, a customer thought Tom was using some KISS MY ASS... Smile
if you breed cattle very long outside the mainstream, you`ll find a need for those genes pretty often...
just to sure everyone "gets" it...my favorite poster again...



whatever gene pool breeders do,
they must do twice as well as the mainstream
to be thought half as good...
Luckily, this is not difficult...
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