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PostSubject: Re: Anik Alfalfa?   Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:35 pm

Pat, another one to look into might be Kura clover if you haven't done so. We seeded some on a pipeline right of way in 2001 and it's done well. Maybe inclined to dominate a stand.
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PostSubject: Re: Anik Alfalfa?   Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:41 am

Grassfarmer wrote:
Pat, another one to look into might be Kura clover if you haven't done so. We seeded some on a pipeline right of way in 2001 and it's done well. Maybe inclined to dominate a stand.

All attempts to establish Kura clover in this area have failed. There may be a mineral deficiency in the soil that hinders some legumes.
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PostSubject: Re: Anik Alfalfa?   Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:09 am

Thanx Kent for the links. I agree with you on research projects and conducting your own. My whole land conversion project was not suppose to work without multiple tons of lime and other supplements.
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PostSubject: Re: Anik Alfalfa?   Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:59 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Anik Alfalfa?   Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:13 pm

After several unsuccessful attempts to secure interest or information from existing research entities to pursue improvement of the range on this Ranch including the unincumbered freedom to significant acreage, labor and few restrictions on time, no interest was found. It became appearant that the research community was interested only in the grant writing and recieving system they seem to endlessly complain about. Appearantly we all insist reside within our own self imposed walls, rather than seek solutions. The decision was made to conduct our own research to meet our own needs.

sounds so familiar; whether grass or cattle...why it was only a month ago scratch scratch ................found those research cows yet df? Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Anik Alfalfa?   Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:54 pm

MKeeney wrote:
After several unsuccessful attempts to secure interest or information from existing research entities to pursue improvement of the range on this Ranch including the unincumbered freedom to significant acreage, labor and few restrictions on time, no interest was found. It became appearant that the research community was interested only in the grant writing and recieving system they seem to endlessly complain about. Appearantly we all insist reside within our own self imposed walls, rather than seek solutions. The decision was made to conduct our own research to meet our own needs.

sounds so familiar; whether grass or cattle...why it was only a month ago scratch scratch ................found those research cows yet df? Smile

I am working with the local extension forage specialist to do a low budget trial of the two different strains of yellow flowered alfalfa that I hope will be arriving at my doorstep in a week or two. I will donate a couple pounds of seed to the research project if he can secure a location on the university farm for a long term trial. The major objective will yellow flowered alfalfa grow in local conditions and persist for years.
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PostSubject: Re: Anik Alfalfa?   Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:35 pm

Plants are so damn fun. Self fertilization and cloning without the public stigma and judgementalism is beautiful. Plant alot and select from what's left after being subjected to the desired management. I have selected individual specimins of several types to split and spread for several traits I desire- including just being unique and interesting. Sometimes accidents are better than knowing what you are doing. We planted Tall wheatgrass, it failed. I found some huge rougue plants on a 1,600 acre patch of CRP, spread it around and it thrived. I found a neat double Spikeleted Western wheat sample. A job for the patient that seems slow, but sure as heck beats waiting for someone else to do it. Don't be in too big a hurry because unimproved legumes especially have more variable hardness of seed which let them build a seed base persist through tough times.
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PostSubject: Re: Anik Alfalfa?   Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:07 am

If the plants grow and persist then the experiment was a success. I am not looking for a high success rate of plant establishment and persistance but hopefully a few will. I will plant both strains together to add diversity to the genetic base and hopefully have the highest chance at success. Late cut hay brings in all different kinds of strains of grasses. The best thing is these strains have adapted to the local conditions and survive.
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PostSubject: Re: Anik Alfalfa?   Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:01 pm

i have winter hardy yellow flowered alfalfa for sale
harvested from 25 year old field


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PostSubject: Re: Anik Alfalfa?   Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:27 pm

DAAVE wrote:
i have winter hardy yellow flowered alfalfa for sale

Where at, what kind, how much?
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PostSubject: Re: Anik Alfalfa?   Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:29 pm

Kent Powell wrote:
Plants are so damn fun. Self fertilization and cloning without the public stigma and judgementalism is beautiful. Plant alot and select from what's left after being subjected to the desired management. I have selected individual specimins of several types to split and spread for several traits I desire- including just being unique and interesting. Sometimes accidents are better than knowing what you are doing. We planted Tall wheatgrass, it failed. I found some huge rougue plants on a 1,600 acre patch of CRP, spread it around and it thrived. I found a neat double Spikeleted Western wheat sample. A job for the patient that seems slow, but sure as heck beats waiting for someone else to do it. Don't be in too big a hurry because unimproved legumes especially have more variable hardness of seed which let them build a seed base persist through tough times.

In spite of my total ignorance of plant life, Kent , I am slowly starting to see just the tip of the iceburg of what you see.
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PostSubject: Re: Anik Alfalfa?   Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:52 pm

IT IS AN ANIK FIELD FAIRVIEW ALBERTA CANADA $5.00 /LB 780 835 4288
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PostSubject: Re: Anik Alfalfa?   Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:15 pm

Thanks for posting your info and prices - will make a note of them and contact you when I need some. How do the seeding rates for Anik compare with the modern commercial varieties ? do you seed more or less?
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PostSubject: Re: Anik Alfalfa?   Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:06 am

For those that have tried yellow flowered alfalfa how did you plant it No till, broadcast, conventional till and drill? The literature seems to omit this information.
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PostSubject: Re: Anik Alfalfa?   Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:42 pm

UPS delivered the alfalfa seed today. Just have to wait untill spring to broadcast seed it and then wait to see what I get. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Anik Alfalfa?   Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:11 pm

Maybe spend your waiting time researching seeding methods? I've no experience of seeding alfalfa yet but a quick Google of "broadcasting alfalfa" doesn't bring up many positive articles. From the Noble Foundation https://www.noble.org/ag/soils/growingalfalfa/
"Use a drill to plant. Do not broadcast seed and till it in. If you can't use a drill, don't plant alfalfa"
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PostSubject: Re: Anik Alfalfa?   Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:40 pm

Grassfarmer wrote:
Maybe spend your waiting time researching seeding methods? I've no experience of seeding alfalfa yet but a quick Google of "broadcasting alfalfa" doesn't bring up many positive articles. From the Noble Foundation https://www.noble.org/ag/soils/growingalfalfa/
"Use a drill to plant. Do not broadcast seed and till it in. If you can't use a drill, don't plant alfalfa"

Most likely I wasted my money on this experiment but you never know untill your try it. According to the noble foundation I am doing every thing wrong including where I will broadcasting the seed. I was told broadcasting seed in my land conversion areas would not work also but I am happy with the results.
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PostSubject: Re: Anik Alfalfa?   Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:52 pm

Are you just planting one variety? How many lbs will you broadcast per acre?
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PostSubject: Re: Anik Alfalfa?   Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:58 pm

I will mix the two strains of falcata alfalfa and broadcast the seed around 1 or 2 pounds per acre. The actual rate will be highly variable do to using a hand seeder and walking.
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PostSubject: Re: Anik Alfalfa?   Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:32 pm

You need to get with the times Pat Smile

http://www.antiquefarmtools.info/page3.htm

We had one of these hang in the barn in Scotland - never used it but eventually gave it to a museum. My Dad said they were pretty accurate according to the old timers.
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PostSubject: Re: Anik Alfalfa?   Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:34 am

It appears that anik/yellow flowered alfalfa was a bust for maine. The unofficial cooperative extension trial showed excellent germination followed by die off of the seedlings. The hayfields and pasture were seed was broadcasted have no live plants that I have found as of yet. The upside is that birdsfoot trefoil that has self seeded is spreading and liking the damp summer.
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PostSubject: Re: Anik Alfalfa?   Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:43 am

The demand for instant satisfaction is not conducive to the identification of lasting perennials.
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