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PostSubject: Wagyu & Wagyu cross carcass data   Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:35 pm

Here is a summary of a recent set of 31 Wagyu steers. They were all fed together for about 500 days with full-time access to a self feeder. The ration varied by season but was kept at about 10%CP and high fiber - usually rice bran.

15 fullblood Wagyu
Age=28.8 months
HCWT=850
Back Fat=0.44
Quality Grade=7.8

7 - 7/8Wagyu x Hereford (purchased)
Age=28.5
HCWT=924
Backfat=.46
Quality Grade=5.8

3 - 3/4Wagyu x Hereford (purchased)
Age=28
HCWT=831
Backfat=.51
Quality Grade=4.8

6 - 1/2 Wagyu x Charolais
Age=26.6
HCWT=1069
Backfat=.41
Quality Grade=6.1

Quality grade is based on the Japanese system of 1 to 10. Low prime is about 4, average prime is 5 and high prime is 6.
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PostSubject: Re: Wagyu & Wagyu cross carcass data   Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:55 pm

Why So old?

What was final weight? ADG?
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PostSubject: Re: Wagyu & Wagyu cross carcass data   Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:40 pm

Farmerkuk wrote:
Why So old?

What was final weight? ADG?

One of many weird things about the Wagyu breed is that they continue to add marbling in a linear fashion up to about 30 months. It takes the long, slow feeding method to achieve the intense marbling that the Wagyu beef market demands without putting on too much backfat.

My target for ADG was 2.2 . It is tough to keep the F1s down that low and tough to get the fullbloods up that high. They are definitely a different kind of cattle.
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PostSubject: Re: Wagyu & Wagyu cross carcass data   Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:13 pm

after a helter-skelter feed/no-feed regime, I finally got my two year old Wagyu-Angus cross heifer on the firelake



it was after dark; ; I practiced with a piece of sirloin; burned one side; rared the other over the fire pit...sampled a piece; drank some wine; seemed to blend the two sides together nicely...slapped it on the table; far superior steak to any restaurant we have around here; and yes, they have wine...Smile
t-bone pic comin; I`m guessing grade to be ch+; maybe pr -
Linda had tuned the Ipad to Seger...no wonder Fire Lake is a great song; Glen Frey and Hendley{Don} singing backup vocals...after we ate, Seger was singing Night Moves; but the only move that came to mind was to take a nap...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmf2jiyYKqQ

Practice is over; Party is Wednesday night at the cabin {pic from 12/26}

By the River{seger}...



everyone is invited; sunny and 44 degrees forecast for 5PM Wednesday...what`s your forecast OT?
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PostSubject: Re: Wagyu & Wagyu cross carcass data   Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:08 pm

what was your cost of gain? how do you market them? sure does sound different than what I'm used to.
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PostSubject: Re: Wagyu & Wagyu cross carcass data   Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:12 pm

well, ate T-BONES tonight...was going to picture them; but I`m not sure the pics would show the marbling...which compared to the one pure Wagyu I once saw/ate would be neglible...but my goodness, how good...good company; when you past 65 you party on any week night you choose...knowing you might not make it to the weekend Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Wagyu & Wagyu cross carcass data   Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:38 pm

I spent 2010-2011 in Korea. This is a Korean Hanwoo bull.



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PostSubject: Re: Wagyu & Wagyu cross carcass data   Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:57 pm

Big Hanwoo Cow.

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PostSubject: Re: Wagyu & Wagyu cross carcass data   Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:16 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Wagyu & Wagyu cross carcass data   Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:17 pm

Calves eating rice straw.

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PostSubject: Re: Wagyu & Wagyu cross carcass data   Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:29 pm

I guess carbs are carbs.



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PostSubject: Re: Wagyu & Wagyu cross carcass data   Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:35 pm

Have never had Kobe beef. Have had American Wagyu. This is hands down the best beef I have ever had. We would buy it from the butcher, walk next door and cook it on the grill. With sides and drinks about $40 US. The Koreans would say Hanwoo very expensive.

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PostSubject: Re: Wagyu & Wagyu cross carcass data   Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:42 pm

I think this is grocery store beef. The Koreans like the Australian beef better than US. I believe it is Wagyu.

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PostSubject: Re: Wagyu & Wagyu cross carcass data   Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:11 pm

thanks Chad..."quality" has quite a different conformation than I was taught 45 years ago...I wonder how well vanilla wafers work in a tub grinder ? Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Wagyu & Wagyu cross carcass data   Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:42 am

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PostSubject: Re: Wagyu & Wagyu cross carcass data   Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:54 am

I was surprised to see how little they were actually being fed.
Looked like as much rice straw as the wanted, some sort of feed and a small scoop of grocery store salveged carbs.
They must have been feeding several times per day.
I think they preferred the coco puffs over the vanilla wafers. I am sure they would work well in the tub grinder.
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PostSubject: Re: Wagyu & Wagyu cross carcass data   Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:28 am

Kochi and Kumamoto, are the red Wagyu cattle. Have read they are influenced by Korean Hanwoo.

Chad Chisholm wrote:
I spent 2010-2011 in Korea. This is a Korean Hanwoo bull.

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PostSubject: Re: Wagyu & Wagyu cross carcass data   Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:47 am

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The farmers’ association said that they plan to provide free lodging for those who buy hanwoo from the new restaurant. The price for the village’s hanwoo is 6,000 won for 100 grams of 1+ grade meat...

$6 for a light quarter pounder...$26 a lb...what can you gross that beautiful Luing cross carcass you showed Grassy?
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PostSubject: Re: Wagyu & Wagyu cross carcass data   Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:52 pm

Mike, do you remember what the hanging weight was on your heifer? Did you finish with grain?
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PostSubject: Re: Wagyu & Wagyu cross carcass data   Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:18 pm

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Mike, do you remember what the hanging weight was on your heifer? Did you finish with grain?

Chris,
she was 1250 live...forgot to look at the hanging wt...silage and ddg was the best ration she recieved...i`ll get a steak pic; not nearly as much marbling as these guys are showing...i can`t imagine better meat Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Wagyu & Wagyu cross carcass data   Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:35 pm

When I saw them as yearlings I couldn't believe how growthy they looked...the power of heterosis...I guess. They say the first cross is the best cross...should it be the only cross? I believe it is but I'm pretty simple minded.
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PostSubject: Re: Wagyu & Wagyu cross carcass data   Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:13 pm

MVCatt wrote:
They say the first cross is the best cross...should it be the only cross?

That's the million dollar question.
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PostSubject: Re: Wagyu & Wagyu cross carcass data   Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:08 am

Tom D wrote:
MVCatt wrote:
They say the first cross is the best cross...should it be the only cross?

That's the million dollar question.

seed corn is a 4 way cross...but they have parent stock Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Wagyu & Wagyu cross carcass data   Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:55 pm

A three or four way cross would maximize genetic potential (where is Will when we need him?), but is it really ascertainable within any of our lifetimes, given the fact that TruLine was written over thirty years ago and here we all are in our own little Corner of the world... all 246 of us, some of whom don't agree with what Larry wrote. 
I like the two line system because it's something we can all use in a commercial setting without waiting on an unwilling industry to come along.

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PostSubject: Re: Wagyu & Wagyu cross carcass data   Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:20 pm

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