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PostSubject: Re: 2018 Keeney Angus Top 25 Bull Sale   Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:47 am

one of the most interesting and rewarding calls this morning of the last five years,
simple verification of having been right...
it takes a bigger man than me to attempt to right the ship, and I appreciate the effort...
and that's all I`ll have to say about that...
actions will speak louder than words, quoting Grace Slick,
It`s a New Dawn...You better find somebody to love...
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PostSubject: Re: 2018 Keeney Angus Top 25 Bull Sale   Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:31 am

No names, numbers, pedigrees or popularity, how will we ever survive with "just cows" and by making more of them ?
With an excess of maternal breeding units, these 50 cows were sacrificed this year on the breeding Alter of $B Exaltation
...looking forward to comparison from birth to rail with our maternals versus the top $B terminals pictured...the comparison
will end there, the $B heifers will be meat, we know enough about them in the pasture already...




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PostSubject: Re: 2018 Keeney Angus Top 25 Bull Sale   Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:58 am




Marx, similar to a number of registered marketing gurus, always included enough truth to attract
a following...it`s even been added that teach a man to fish, you lose a customer, create a competitor, or both...
Clint Pace, one of my young, and yet long time customers, sent me a picture of a couple of bull calves from the
KA females he bought that he plans to retain for use, and why now? Only if my females failed him, should he look
outside his own herd for maternal bulls, and if the case be failure, certainly not back to me...
Competition being a relentless adversary, that leaves me with limited options if Clint chooses to maintain
the Keeney PUREBREDS as a parent stock herd...
1. out breed him, create greater prepotency for consistent renewal etc...a very limited option imo, any
prepotency I create here will not overcome his selection for adaptation within his management environment...
and him using the 10 point maternal breeding plan is near infallible as a maternal breeding methodology
2. sell him bulls cheaper than the cost/ aggravation of raising his own...this is unlikely; if only for his use, they
don`t have to meet public approval, only his ancestral approval...so proper development is all that is necessary instead
of wasting money on feed for fat, the primary marketing tool of the mainstream...
3. the next step would be for Clint to compete in the public marketplace, success dealing with people far more critical
than the genetic component in that arena...a great disappointment for me has been the unwillingness of Tru-line
users/ breeders to compete in the seedstock business, and spread the genetic truths and systems approach in the
process...seriously, most either have or are making enough money commercially to put up with the people
aggravation...charging more is not any relief, for it only creates greater expectations from the buyer, and greater
responsibility on the principled seller...
4. find new customers...oh yes, it`s a big world of opportunity out there, and the more the feedlot terminal genetics
move and improve, the poorer the female function on grass...
The maternal segment needs neighborhood , not nationwide breeders...there's hardly any competition on the
maternal side, except with THE STORY that one kind can do it all BEST...BS...
So my answer is, the more Clint`s, the better for all, and good enough for me cheers

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PostSubject: Re: 2018 Keeney Angus Top 25 Bull Sale   Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:28 am

I saw a guy hauling a big load of open cows to stockyards Saturday. Knowing that he raises very good feed and the cows looked large in size and not old I suspect he would benefit from different type of females in herd. Not always an easy sell to get that "high performance" guy to buy that young maternal type bull that seems so small. Hopefully he will be patient with the 2 bulls he got from me last year and change that cow herd around a little.
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PostSubject: Re: 2018 Keeney Angus Top 25 Bull Sale   Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:22 am

http://nitrokennels.com/detail/nitro.html

well, there has always been this value of pedigree to me...it separates those who talk about their linebreds from those who
actually linebreed...looking at the above pedigree, I wonder how many throwaways  there are in a litter today versus 20-40-60 years ago?
amazing what can, and has been accomplished with these dogs thanks to generation turnover...

if someone has my copy of Snakefoot, the Making of a Champion, you might want to cash it in ...asking $500 on amazon...
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PostSubject: Re: 2018 Keeney Angus Top 25 Bull Sale   Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:22 am

Larry said "the best commercial cow is the cow that goes unnoticed the longest", but concerning parent stock Mr. Clark
said "no breeder needs more cows than he can be completely familiar with on an individual basis"...agreeing with the first,
but not practicing the second, I merely stay familiar with my selection criteria year to year and pretty much forget the rest;
it might be best if I totally forgot the rest...
But observing cows Sunday, a great pastime, I "noticed" a 3 yr old cow I am still familiar with, a remnant created during my
treks across the boundaries of inbreeding into the Twi-light Zone, just to see what was out there...she`s sired by an Encore son,
from an Encore daughter, that was from an Encore daughter...
I like her quite a lot, particularly less milk in a perfect udder, and yet with at least an average calf in the group...about right
to renew the gene pool. Milk is one of the most expensive ways to raise a calf, the higher milking cows proven to be HIGHER
maintenance cows relative to mature size even when DRY.
If the current mainstream Angus crop of terminally created aftermath of cows were as high MILK as the EPD`S reflect, they
would be a complete and utter-udder disaster...luckily for them, from my limited experience, the epd`s are way off base from
being a true reflection of a cow`s milking ability...everyone needs a lucky mistake now and then Smile

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PostSubject: Re: 2018 Keeney Angus Top 25 Bull Sale   Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:39 am

A little translation from the nicest of people, Guillermo De Nava , Uruguay

There are of livestock with different genetic potential for production for various environmental conditions. Identifying the most suitable biotypes for each environment would seem to be a priority task in the genetic improvement programmes, both in breeding and full-cycle systems. However, one of the most common mistakes being made is to make decisions about genetics to use, without paying due attention to the possible impact that the introduction of that germplasm will have on the body composition of livestock and in the future productivity of the Breeding Rodeo. In the long lake, the latter is very important, since the expectations are usually that the females who will be born from the decisions of matings that are taken today, remain in the rodeo for much longer, a few years beyond, of the moment That his castrated male brothers will be sold.
Failures to achieve higher levels of productivity per surface unit with the use of animals with greater genetic potential are increasingly documented. However, it continues to put an enormous emphasis on the alleged individual production, without taking into account the high costs that must be incurred by changing the environment to achieve that wanted animal productivity. This phenomenon is not just happening in our country. The latest reports we saw by some American University professors reveal certain data to which we should pay particular attention. For example, despite the sustained genetic trend of more weight weaning in the Angus race, the most widely used in the USA, the data on the evolution of the weights to weaning on commercial grounds of a large number of American Livestock States remain stagnant, Similar to those registered for several years. This result means that, in the most common production environments in that country, the "fuel" available for the rodeo is not enough for cows to raise calves that can express their genetic potential.
The comments of these analysts go further, because they report a very sharp increase in production costs, particularly those related to livestock feeding. The Professor at the university of Oklahoma, David Lallman, for example reports that the cow now needs much more supplementation than in the past, because while in 1960 it was used on average 0,75 tons of bales per year per cow, At present on average each cow uses 2,25 tonnes of bales in the annual production cycle. The average adult size of pedigree cows of very popular breeds in that country like Angus and Hereford has already surpassed the continental breeds such as limousin and simmental, traditionally related to a much higher growth and terminal crosses. In The United States, despite the modern selection tools available for available livestock, there is very little evidence that the efficiency of the breeding cow managed in commercial conditions has improved.
This negative side of the selection may also be happening in Uruguay, where the tools available for the genetic improvement of livestock have been unbalanced, favouring the selection for further growth or characteristics of the housing, but not the efficiency of grass transformation in calves From the cow. The availability of genetic merit data, such as the pregnancy rate of daughters or days in childbirth, remains only in an intention, even though there is evidence of a field that can be made genetic progress when paying attention to these maternal characteristics in The genetic improvement programs of the breeding rodeo.
This imbalance, operating for decades, has also led to a change in the body composition of the uruguayan cattle that are generally growing larger, with greater potential for milk production and more lean, which promotes biotypes that are less suitable In order to achieve better performances per hectare and its management involves higher production costs. The natural field remains the basis of production in the vast majority of the land in which the breeding cows are managed in our country. It is a very peculiar environment which requires genetically adapted livestock to these particular conditions. Beyond the results of the rural exhibitions and the supply of the semen catalogues of the suppliers of genetic material, any genetics considered to be " higher " or " Enhancer " in Uruguay should consider these facts.
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PostSubject: Re: 2018 Keeney Angus Top 25 Bull Sale   Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:03 am

I just don`t know why people criticize the GAR  bulls for having no masculinity...why just look at the evidence in this video..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNBM_hy0EGU
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PostSubject: Re: 2018 Keeney Angus Top 25 Bull Sale   Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:19 am

Meanwhile around here they still haven't figured out the difference between maternal and terminal.

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PostSubject: Re: 2018 Keeney Angus Top 25 Bull Sale   Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:34 am

MKeeney wrote:
I just don`t know why people criticize the GAR  bulls for having no masculinity...why just look at the evidence in this video..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNBM_hy0EGU
Whoops...that's a. cow Smile
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PostSubject: Re: 2018 Keeney Angus Top 25 Bull Sale   Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:18 am

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PostSubject: Re: 2018 Keeney Angus Top 25 Bull Sale   Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:43 am

I went out yesterday looking for herd bulls...need 6, found 50...the task will be to sort them to 25, not really
a problem though, because it won`t matter much when heritability is added to the formula...


mk, remembering Michael bringing up a load of leftover two yr old bulls to refresh the bulls
breeding cows at Red Lodge...
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PostSubject: Re: 2018 Keeney Angus Top 25 Bull Sale   Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:21 pm



interesting...saves on the haul bill if you spend $65,000 for one cow instead of $65,000 for a load of cows from Shoshone some years ago...
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PostSubject: Re: 2018 Keeney Angus Top 25 Bull Sale   Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:25 am

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PostSubject: Re: 2018 Keeney Angus Top 25 Bull Sale   Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:17 am

just too damn funny...

Cornyn said he believes humans affect the climate, but he questioned whether the government should be involved in curbing the effects
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PostSubject: Re: 2018 Keeney Angus Top 25 Bull Sale   Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:12 am

new breeding creates new businesses..

Fall sale season is in full swing, make sure to call me for all of your Mortality, Infertility and Pregnancy Insurance needs.
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PostSubject: Re: 2018 Keeney Angus Top 25 Bull Sale   Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:15 am

MKeeney wrote:
Gardiner on feet...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIWbbwGq9W8


Maybe I didn't hear that right, but did he just say feet didn't matter much so long as you can cull the worst ones?
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PostSubject: Re: 2018 Keeney Angus Top 25 Bull Sale   Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:39 am

Mean Spirit wrote:
MKeeney wrote:
Gardiner on feet...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIWbbwGq9W8


Maybe I didn't hear that right, but did he just say feet didn't matter much so long as you can cull the worst ones?

I was left confused by it - seemed to cover all his bases. Wasn't important and you could cull for it, was important and they were selecting for it, had never seen perfect feet, took a long time to learn about great feet, best bulls in the breed had bad feet but the punchline was as long as you paid enough money for his bulls they could afford to replace the duds. Creating the illusion that the replacement money was coming out of their pocket when it is in fact coming out of their customers.
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PostSubject: Re: 2018 Keeney Angus Top 25 Bull Sale   Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:26 pm

Grassfarmer wrote:
Mean Spirit wrote:
MKeeney wrote:
Gardiner on feet...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIWbbwGq9W8


Maybe I didn't hear that right, but did he just say feet didn't matter much so long as you can cull the worst ones?

I was left confused by it - seemed to cover all his bases. Wasn't important and you could cull for it, was important and they were selecting for it, had never seen perfect feet, took a long time to learn about great feet, best bulls in the breed had bad feet but the punchline was as long as you paid enough money for his bulls they could afford to replace the duds. Creating the illusion that the replacement money was coming out of their pocket when it is in fact coming out of their customers.

Agree.. Very confusing.

Also, I though Foot Fetish was something completely different.
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PostSubject: Re: 2018 Keeney Angus Top 25 Bull Sale   Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:44 pm

Bought a crossbred bull back in the day from one of these big outfits that guarantees all their bulls. Described as "round, sound and close to the ground" he proved anything but. Made a FS 7, tall and narrow, structurally unsound and stifled himself as a 2 year old. I culled him (my loss completely) but they lent me another bull the following year - which never left me a calf. Catch was the insurance - 10% of purchase price - which was considerable, a similarly high rate on the dud loaner bull too. Maybe the profit centre is selling insurance that doesn't pay out rather than overpriced bulls?

I like Mike's idea that a low purchase price is your guarantee.
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PostSubject: Re: 2018 Keeney Angus Top 25 Bull Sale   Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:05 pm

fair play to GAR here...from what little I know, I think they are one of the best at following through on
their guarantee....unlike another Kansas outfit I did business with ONCE...the feet and fertility so bad, all gone by 4 yr old

listened to a fair bit of the sale today...1%$B 6 FRAME OR ABOVE WORTH 7000 and up...560 bulls; they are flooding
the market as promised/rumored after the AAA board eviction...a carrier bull @ 10,000

I`m sure not complaining...if they are ruining the breed as promoted by the anti, that will create more future maternal demand
than keeneys corner, or tru-line has (1 Smile )
...I`m inclined to believe it will only create more demand for more and better feed...

ps...I wish they would quit trying to hold down frame size


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PostSubject: Re: 2018 Keeney Angus Top 25 Bull Sale   Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:44 pm

ain`t no sunshine since you gone and took the papers with you Smile but, replacing an older cow
with her dau is still no problem...all for about $2200... cheers



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PostSubject: Re: 2018 Keeney Angus Top 25 Bull Sale   Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:47 pm

oh...who-where is a good feet siring Angus bull?

what breed has the best feet?
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PostSubject: Re: 2018 Keeney Angus Top 25 Bull Sale   Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:34 pm

MKeeney wrote:
fair play to GAR here...from what little I know, I think they are one of the best at following through on
their guarantee....unlike another Kansas outfit I did business with ONCE...the feet and fertility so bad, all gone by 4 yr old

listened to a fair bit of the sale today...1%$B 6 FRAME OR ABOVE WORTH 7000 and up...560 bulls; they are flooding
the market as promised/rumored after the AAA board eviction...a carrier bull @ 10,000

I`m sure not complaining...if they are ruining the breed as promoted by the anti, that will create more future maternal demand
than keeneys corner, or tru-line has (1 Smile )
...I`m inclined to believe it will only create more demand for more and better feed...

ps...I wish they would quit trying to hold down frame size


Boy can a person fall behind on what is going on when they get out of the registered business.
AAA board eviction? Ruining the breed?
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PostSubject: Re: 2018 Keeney Angus Top 25 Bull Sale   Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:39 am

just another bull on the tru-line hwy...nice visit with tc and Shirley yesterday...CLASS !

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