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PostSubject: Re: 2017 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Wed May 03, 2017 6:41 am

MKeeney wrote:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/dollar-general-is-defying-the-retail-apocalypse-and-opening-1000-stores/ar-BBzEqn6?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp#page=5

this could have been the situation in the seedstock business; but it takes some courage and investment  to open a store and compete... instead, the top 100, and prepare to pay seed corn prices...
Saw a quote in a Tex Mex restaurant yesterday that could apply to cattle sales in some way - just not sure how just yet. Thinking in progress to have full application:
"Tips are like hugs without all of the touching."
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PostSubject: Re: 2017 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Wed May 03, 2017 8:05 am

Just a bull by just a bull from the most fertile/productive cow we have ever owned; expecting to make some just like her...
the percentage will depend on the prepotency...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1347865721927456&set=pcb.1347860185261343&type=3&theater {click arrow for dam`s pic...}

and he was the top on semen ck...signifying perhaps nothing ...
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PostSubject: Re: 2017 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Wed May 03, 2017 8:16 pm

...my facebook impact is the same as here; zilch...I never had any expectations; but I think I will keep posting...perhaps with a regular disclaimer, "I`m not selling you anything, I don`t expect to impact what you do or believe, I am just letting you know I don`t need anything you`re selling...

...Facebook is quite revealing as to human nature and how thoughtlessly the general public is entrenched in traditional cattle breeding habits; the non-traditional just as much as the fast track boys...

 JRN checked in with updated heifer calving report, 10% requiring assistance...that's certainly not an acceptable rate, but I`m fully aware it might be as good as I can make it across varying environments and management schemes ...I have one other selection restriction to apply this year for ce, sure not going to weigh any calves...if it doesn`t pan out, will simply use other breeds...

 I`ve been suggesting to JRN it`s time for a set of Hereford bulls {maternal heterosis}...certainly something other than my bulls after this shipment, or I`ll just pull a Larry and refuse to send him anymore bulls !! Very Happy
Be Aware John; sales pitches and free recommendations coming; I`ll give odds that places that get cattle fat will top the list !!

I sure appreciate John being the most helpful ever guinea pig; genetics I hoped others might prove more exacting than I ,  stand in their pastures, or in my lot leaving me still in the dark; just hoping...maybe that`s as good as it can be half way across the continent...

Since I didn't get the Beckton ce bull bought, we`re getting the cattle chute darkened up to breed heifers AI, TALK ABOUT A DOUBLE BARRELL SHOT OF DARKNESS  cheers  Very Happy
Results and more mainstream ignored info in a year !!!  Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: 2017 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Wed May 03, 2017 8:58 pm

about a paragraph apart...pretty funny...what is ce?

For over 30 years, Flying H Genetics has guaranteed calving ease on every bull we sell.
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Flying H Genetics also identifies and guarantees some bulls for use on virgin heifers

no guarantee terms were not found...

here`s the farao guarantee on 5 star ce bulls...
in effect for one year only..

100$ per pull...no questions asked

pay any vet bill calving...

pay 5000...pull 20...3000 net...can use bull on cows

yelp, my guarantee remains in the price...1900...use bull on cows









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PostSubject: Re: 2017 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Thu May 04, 2017 3:52 am

whoops, 7000 instead of 5000

http://www.pharocattle.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/SaleResults.pdf

omg...someone putting in Franchestor of Wye embryos...whatever in hell for?
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PostSubject: Re: 2017 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Thu May 04, 2017 8:15 am

MKeeney wrote:
whoops, 7000 instead of 5000

http://www.pharocattle.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/SaleResults.pdf

omg...someone putting in Franchestor of Wye embryos...whatever in hell for?

Some people relish failure and cannot enjoy success.
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PostSubject: Re: 2017 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Thu May 04, 2017 10:41 am

Well reading farther,he's right on about fran being dmi efficient...and one could project from that relationship, just what selection for dmi will do to the daughters. ..frans were terrible in converting feed to calf...
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PostSubject: Re: 2017 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Thu May 04, 2017 11:19 pm

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...my facebook impact is the same as here; zilch...I never had any expectations; but I think I will keep posting...perhaps with a regular disclaimer, "I`m not selling you anything, I don`t expect to impact what you do or believe, I am just letting you know I don`t need anything you`re selling...
take the above back...I have made one new friend, Hereford breeder, bonsma advocate, to compliment my Angus, and John`s Charolais...three against the world is better than one...actually, we aren`t against anything...just let the bullshit slide down the buyers back and slick the money out as it flows by...
I`m off to look at a 1000 hd cow operation tomorrow...in KY, UNBELIEVABLE...right in my backdoor...bet I buy more bulls than I sell Sad
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PostSubject: Re: 2017 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Fri May 05, 2017 7:48 am

The thirty day rule to contribute to the purebred genepool caught this gal , I suppose these twins by Watt Casey 's Beefmaster bull is her attempt to make up for lost time ...while sway backs and high rumps seem in fashion in popular stock today, I don't like it...and I expect him to fix it...but the greatest hope for any purchased bull is that he doesn`t screw maternal features up too much...I sure appreciate programs with long term, consistent direction...quote "The Casey Beefmaster herd was closed in 1967. Our genetic base is the Lasater Ranch Foundation herd."

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PostSubject: Re: 2017 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Fri May 05, 2017 8:08 am

A man without a county or state...  you nailed it as usual Al Cross...
Only four states (Wyoming, West Virginia, Oklahoma and North Dakota) gave Trump a larger percentage than Kentucky, where he won five of every eight votes. It’s a quintessential Trump state: heavily white, under-educated, appreciative of authority figures, and hard-hit by the loss of old-line manufacturing jobs that were easy to move overseas because they had relatively low wages and required only modest skills.
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PostSubject: Re: 2017 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Fri May 05, 2017 8:25 am

is there anything any more mumbo jumbo than he`s sired by xxx out of a yyy dau out of a vvv dau?... how many years I squinted at those Shoshone eartags to follow the code... of course, Larry believed it strongly because he wrote the tags...Smile finally, they all became Shoshones...yes, there were differences, but attributed to gene segregation, not the sequence of he`s sired by xxx out of a yyy dau out of a vvv dau...
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PostSubject: Re: 2017 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Fri May 05, 2017 1:17 pm

MKeeney wrote:
is there anything any more mumbo jumbo than he`s sired by xxx out of a yyy dau out of a vvv dau?... how many years I squinted at those Shoshone eartags to follow the code... of course, Larry believed it strongly because he wrote the tags...Smile finally, they all became Shoshones...yes, there were differences, but attributed to gene segregation, not the sequence of he`s sired by xxx out of a yyy dau out of a vvv dau...
You just nailed the #1 attraction of Bonsma selection. Read the current tea leaves in every individual animal and move on. No need to know the past. Any cow or bull with the right look will do. The past is gone, the future is yet to be and the present is a gift.

Eddie, adding personalized mumbo jumbo
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PostSubject: Re: 2017 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Fri May 05, 2017 2:32 pm

Just for the record ,I don't select for bonsma, select for function and bonsma happens ...I believe xxx vvv yyy gives a minimum of 81 possible combinations...maybe closer to 81,000...
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PostSubject: Re: 2017 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Fri May 05, 2017 5:07 pm

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...my facebook impact is the same as here; zilch...I never had any expectations; but I think I will keep posting...perhaps with a regular disclaimer, "I`m not selling you anything, I don`t expect to impact what you do or believe, I am just letting you know I don`t need anything you`re selling...
take the above back...I have made one new friend, Hereford breeder, bonsma advocate, to compliment my Angus, and John`s Charolais...three against the world is better than one...actually, we aren`t against anything...just let the bullshit slide down the buyers back and slick the money out as it flows by...
I`m off to look at a 1000 hd cow operation tomorrow...in KY, UNBELIEVABLE...right in my backdoor...bet I buy more bulls than I sell Sad

great visit; what a nice young man; we will do some business, a relationship might be a stretch of my limited time, and his maternal learning curve...I`ll push a couple speed up buttons... Good things rarely come to those who wait instead of work...
...and obviously, anyone that keeps proclaiming that epds are false theory, don`t work, staff manipulated, dishonest data, etc for terminal feedlot traits needs to get their head out of their jealous ass...
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PostSubject: Re: 2017 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Fri May 05, 2017 5:33 pm

Hmmmm - you may have faith in EPD's but the EBV's in NZ have got to be seen to be (dis) believed.

Interesting that one of our key adversaries (Vet) in our run in with council in 2012 has had an article published stating that the current index system does not work ie bulls with completely different sets of EBVs for different traits - often completely antagonistic - can have exactly the same set of Angus Pure (similar to $B) and Self replacing (self explanatory) dollar values - not to mention that the traits measured can have little to no accuracy and a raft of different levels of heritability. The computer system in the US may have the capability of sorting all that out to give a reasonable prediction of the differences in cattle but while NZ is still not calculating BCS into mature cow weights and is using days to calving (7% heritable) as a key calculating parameter in the self replacing index I have to call bull shit!

Meanwhile our mate from down south (adversary) is promoting the use of 4 indexes instead - created by Abacus Bio for the Irish cattle breeders society (all breeds I believe) who interestingly enough have been using Breedplan for a few years now too - you only need to see some of the pictures of traditional UK cattle being bred in the UK and Scotland to see how that has been working out for them ..................

My predictions for the coming NZ bull selling season is this - the traditional East Coast cattle which Breedplan DESPISES and which have been thoroughly rubbished by the boffins for the last 15 years will be a sell out with record averages (if trying to book accommodation in Gisborne for the sales is anything to go by ..... not till the end of June and the place is already nearly sold out!) because even the most die hard advocate of "it is not what you can see that counts" is getting pretty fed up with the bits that you can see ...... bowed tendons, broken crossed feet, nasty undershot narrow muzzles and growing to the size of a small donkey of these so called "performance cattle". The good old traditionally bred cows that were holding up the rubbish have all gone now and the effects of chasing this trait or another over common sense is really starting to show.
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PostSubject: Re: 2017 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Fri May 05, 2017 9:46 pm

Megan,
I have no argument with anything you say as being anything less than true, , and still see absolutely no reason to retract a single word of my last sentence...

and obviously, anyone that keeps proclaiming that epds are false theory, don`t work, staff manipulated, dishonest data, etc for terminal feedlot traits needs to get their head out of their jealous ass...
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PostSubject: Re: 2017 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Fri May 05, 2017 9:50 pm

second thought...breedplan despises? Harari predictions have come true; Artificial Intelligence has taken over...{actually, it wasn't that difficult} Smile
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PostSubject: Re: 2017 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Sat May 06, 2017 4:10 am

Ahhh I see - interesting that a large scale seller feels the need to go on the attack to that extent - if EPD's "were all that" then surely they do not need anyone to defend them from those that might question the logic?

As a person of some importance in the industry in NZ said to me recently "these guys have been beating the same drum for over 10 years now and from where I am standing I cannot see any improvements from these so called performance cattle ............. in fact quite the opposite" - standing room only in Gisborne I am picking.
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PostSubject: Re: 2017 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Sat May 06, 2017 5:06 am

No,no..no attack from GAR...most of the jealousy is directed toward them...that's my statement and I stand by it fully...and you continue to miss my point entirely and why KC is and has been a total waste of time ...carcass wts and grade of US slaughter cattle have changed corresponding with epd change if you need proof from a bigger picture...proof enough for me is seeing my 1100 lb 15 mon bulls compared to 1300 gar wt month bulls...and both have their advantages depending on utilization...
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Megan,
I have no argument with anything you say as being anything less than true, , and still see absolutely no reason to retract a single word of my last sentence...

and obviously, anyone that keeps proclaiming that epds are false theory, don`t work, staff manipulated, dishonest data, etc for terminal feedlot traits needs to get their head out of their jealous ass...
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PostSubject: Re: 2017 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Sat May 06, 2017 8:11 am

the only pinebank bull showing in the main sire summary is 44 on yw...bottom 5 % ...right on from my limited exposure...
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PostSubject: Re: 2017 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Sat May 06, 2017 8:30 am

the bull business in Ky has always been tough even with sale managers and bs...

38 Total Registered Bulls
$71,400.00
$1,878.00

many 18 months old
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PostSubject: Re: 2017 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Sat May 06, 2017 8:43 am

one year ago...maternal doesn't need numbers or pedigrees...just consistent selection...

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PostSubject: Re: 2017 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Sat May 06, 2017 8:49 am

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PostSubject: Re: 2017 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Sat May 06, 2017 11:56 am

pukerimu wrote:
...if EPD's "were all that" then surely they do not need anyone to defend them from those that might question the logic?

cheers

Mike's right, select for bigger numbers, you get bigger cattle.

If it's not a long-time closed herd, it's all cross breeding.
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PostSubject: Re: 2017 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Sat May 06, 2017 12:41 pm

I believe Megan`s problem is she`s selecting for bigger cattle , but not getting the biggest numbers...however, I see the next
ploy is to influence the politics from the inside...
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