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PostSubject: Re: Summer Forage   Sun Oct 30, 2016 7:25 pm

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Anyone ever tried Patriot clover?
Yes, but weather did not agree. So, no info.
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PostSubject: Re: Summer Forage   Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:52 am

EddieM wrote:
MKeeney wrote:
Anyone ever tried Patriot clover?
Yes, but weather did not agree.  So, no info.
no stand, no water, or both ?
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PostSubject: Re: Summer Forage   Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:15 pm

MKeeney wrote:
EddieM wrote:
MKeeney wrote:
Anyone ever tried Patriot clover?
Yes, but weather did not agree.  So, no info.
no stand, no water, or both ?

Came up fine. Hit the drought and it and all were gone. They also have one called Renovation built on drought tolerant clovers from OK. Supposed to be good. Patriot did good in grazing trials and I put it in no-till into stronger stands of fescue to have the height. I would try again and try to hope for better weather.

Just took the "skim of the crop" to the barn this AM. Half of the cows have been gone, weaned these calves a month ago and lotted them with hay and hand fed deal to put a better look on them. Probably lost money on the new pounds but picked up a little from a better look, bunk broke and hopefully the market will stay up with the nickel bounce from last week. Held the better calves for another day or to keep. Will see how it all plays out. Need to cut down on mouths to feed. Lambs start in 2 days. Smart move, huh? geek

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PostSubject: Re: Summer Forage   Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:59 am

We've hit smokey status today as the woodlands are on fire, air breathing warning, as if the election wasn't enough...
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PostSubject: Re: Summer Forage   Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:23 am

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We've hit smokey status today as the woodlands are on fire, air breathing warning, as if the election wasn't enough...
There are 4 fires in the NC mountains but not any around here from what I have heard or smelled. I expect Bubba, Shorty and Hugh John will go on a redneck spree and start some around here before too long. The only problem is that there are few hay bales along the roads to target. That will force them into creative thinking so we might be safe due to the need for a though process.

We are moving towards "exceptional drought" status in the next month. I guess that means we are real, real, REAL dry. Water rationing is in place. Streams are only allowed to flow Monday, Wednesday and Saturday and the Baptists have temporarily allowed sprinkling baptisms.
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PostSubject: Re: Summer Forage   Wed May 24, 2017 9:43 am

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PostSubject: Re: Summer Forage   Thu May 25, 2017 10:51 pm

We are trying a project along similar lines. It's always frustrated me how to "kick start" the process of regenerating pastures that have been so badly abused in the past. This was the starting condition of some of the pasture here. Root bound, no nutrient cycling and a broke water cycle.  



After feeding on it last spring and chewing it short again we broadcast 2.5lbs/acre of sweet clover seed along with some phosphate and harrowed it in. Got a good catch due to timely rain but this was the July growth - still very poor - only about 6" high. It grew a bit more and we grazed it off in October once it was dormant.



Looking better now as the sweet clover makes it's vigorous 2nd year spring growth.



Hopefully we will get the kind of biomass we got on this other field of alfalfa/sweet clover then go in and graze/trample it with a big group of yearlings. Think this will kickstart the microbiology, add enough nitrogen that the grass might grow, shatter the hardpan with the roots and add litter/organic matter to hold water. Time will tell but it's a cheap experiment and might be as close to a "miracle cure" as we'll get to regenerate pasture.

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PostSubject: Re: Summer Forage   Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:54 am

We don`t rush out to grease the hay baler just because the fescue gets ahead of the cattle grazing; a summer stockpile is not all uneconomical for some classes of livestock; in this case, fall calving dry cows, one wire limiting forward grazing, none limiting back to the centered water in middle of 4 pastures...
pic 1...foreground, current pasture after 3 days grazing; background behind wire, the mature growth
pic2, below left...where the cows most recently were before moving; still walking back over to water
pic3, below center...got busy, overgrazed a bit, still fescue rebounds
pic4, below right...moved cows just right time I think
no spring fertilizer, looks like another quick graze, get off around Aug 1, maybe add N, wait until Thanksgiving to start grazing minimizing hay feeding...


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PostSubject: Re: Summer Forage   Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:17 pm

if soybean by products aren't grain farao , and by definition, corn is a grass, then my cattle are grass fed Shocked

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PostSubject: Re: Summer Forage   Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:42 pm

Wow, thats a heck of a crop of corn. I guess you must have way more corn heat units than us. Seeded ours May 30th this year and its struggling with some cold wet weather, maybe 8" high. Yours has closed over now but I'd never heard of 38" row spacing. We seeded with a planter on 30" this time and I hate how much space there is between rows. I'm thinking of seeding on 15" rows next time (plant every foot versus 6" in row) or drilling hairy vetch on the 15" between each corn row. Is this roundup ready corn or how do you control weeds?
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PostSubject: Re: Summer Forage   Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:50 pm

Roundup ready. ..30 inch better , but old equipment that will last as long as based on 38...
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PostSubject: Re: Summer Forage   Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:26 pm

My cows working on some fall browse today. Hawthorn trees that have spikes about 2" long on them! As they're going after the seeds versus the leaves I guess I won't be able to claim they are grass-fed any more.

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