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jonken



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PostSubject: Re: Yin and Yang of Deceit   Thu Mar 17, 2016 4:59 pm

Who owns the DNA of an animal submitted for animal registration?
Breed Association?  Genetic testing company?  Owner of animal?  All involved?
-Kendra
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PatB



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PostSubject: Re: Yin and Yang of Deceit   Thu Mar 17, 2016 7:01 pm

If DNA is submitted to AAA/AGI for parentage/genetic defect testing/genomic profile it becomes the property of AAA/AGI. I do not know how other associations and/or testing companies handle it for ownership of the sample submitted or the actual test results.
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PostSubject: Re: Yin and Yang of Deceit   Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:06 pm

PatB wrote:
MKeeney wrote:
PatB wrote:
If you use a natural sires just think how many people are not getting a cut of the action?  The drug companies, semen providers, AI specialist and research providers all need a share of your calf check.  How many fertility challenges are being masked by drugs to bring animals into eustrus?  How many times can you stack calving ease sires before you have problems before the cows cannot have a decent sized calf not the lost weight at sale time?  

Pat, you raise a point that I see oft stated by others that I doubt the validity of...why can`t you continue to select for lighter bw without effecting cow ability to calve?

It is a simple experiment buy around 10 animals that have been sired by calving ease bulls for 4 or 5 generations then breed to a moderate birth weight growth bull and tell what is the outcome.  What is stacking generations of calving ease animals doing to your actual weaning weights and finish weights?  I know how using several generations of low birth weight bulls affected my bottom line .

I don't believe most main stream calving ease bulls are prepotent enough to really prove anything.
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jonken



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PostSubject: Re: Yin and Yang of Deceit   Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:17 am

How many years have been devoted to genomic research--- for benefit of cattlemen?  How many dollars have been dedicated toward genomic research for the sake of helping cattlemen?  I read where one Animal Science professor at one Land Grant University had acquired more than $39 million in extramural funding for genomics research as reported in June 2014.   How many countries/states/universities/professors are being funded to develop DNA genotyping benefits for cattlemen?  Big money business!
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larkota



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PostSubject: Re: Yin and Yang of Deceit   Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:10 am

from the funny pages

It didn't take genomic testing to do that, anyone who has ever raised a group of ET calves or full sibs over several years could tell you that it is a randomly inherited crap shoot. Without enabling the ability to select for homozygous pairings then every generation is random inheritance.

EPD's are suffering from the same problem the dollar is, inflation. Stacking generations of numbers without proof no different than printing money without end.

Well said; I've discovered many similarities between St Joe and D.C. the past couple years!



Kendra,
how is it they can bash and defend? this sure must be the definition of insanity. if breeders can NOT agree, how is it they can sell it to commercial stockmen? scratch scratch
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larkota



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PostSubject: Re: Yin and Yang of Deceit   Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:20 am

people are so willing to buy a pig in a poke with outrageous claims for outrageous prices....what makes me bitter is they question my integrity.
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