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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:22 pm

MKeeney wrote:

Thursday, November 10, 2016
VERY LATE BREAKING NEWS! On Saturday, February 4, 2017, there will be a Complete and Total Dispersal of the Champion Hill herd in Bidwell, Ohio. Over 1,000 head. Every last animal will sell: partnership cattle, donors, embryos and semen. It will be the last day of Champion Hill. It promises to be one of the landmark sales in the 140 year history of the Angus breed.

On Saturday, January 28, 2017, over 1,000 head will sell in the Complete and Total Dispersal of Bob & Marianne Kavli’s herd at Wray, Colorado. They are retiring and every last animal will sell without exception, rich in the best of Connealy and Gardiner breeding.

Don’t forget, with the election of Donald Trump and his promise of closing the borders, no more imported beef. Our very best days are ahead.

Regards,
Tom Burke

Megan, does your accent may it difficult for you to say, CHIN-NA, CHIN-NA, CHIN-NA? Smile we may get so beef short and expensive in the USA that lots of these registered cows will go to slaughter {where many should been long ago} Smile

I do not see the logic in Tom Burke's statement at all (and not just that he consider anything with a Gardiner prefix the best???!!) - if the borders are closed then surely you cannot expect anyone outside of the US to eat US beef, likewise the US public will see the prices for everyday items which we all take for granted explode and therefore their buying power for beef will implode - basic economics 101.

As for the Chinese .............. we love trading with them when they are just buying and when our stores are full of affordable "stuff" - not so fond of them when they buy buy buy and then stop stop stop ..................... or when land transactions are taking place - hard for others to compete - although interestingly enough there has been more NZ land and houses sold to Americans than any other nationality recently ............... and that was before Nov 9th - just saying Smile
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:50 pm

When the WTO was first looking to fine or put a tarrif on US beef was in the fall of 2014 at the same time 85 % lean was trading at 4 dollars real by Sept 2015 it was at almost 8 dollars today it has
retraced back to Just under 6 dollars. In the Same period our market went from 1.55 in the fall of 2014 to a high of 1.70 in June 2015 when the WTO ruled against us, to live cattle as low this fall as .95. JBS has been the big player in the world market for 10 years or more but has only been able to control our market since June of 2015 with the ruling against us allowed all beef in the case to say USDA inspected no mater where it was raised, slaughtered etc. My point is strictly mine as a USA producer that it is sad that our young people will not be able to buy ranches and raise cattle with out a special niche. And that the multi-millionaires will continue to tie up what resources that become available and this is not sustainable.
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:56 pm

I just post Burke up for the joke he and the registered business is...total disconnect to the cattle business, just the con game
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:01 am

pukerimu wrote:
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I do not see the logic in Tom Burke's statement at all (and not just that he consider anything with a Gardiner prefix the best???!!) - if the borders are closed then surely you cannot expect anyone outside of the US to eat US beef, likewise the US public will see the prices for everyday items which we all take for granted explode and therefore their buying power for beef will implode - basic economics 101.

As for the Chinese .............. we love trading with them when they are just buying and when our stores are full of affordable "stuff" - not so fond of them when they buy buy buy and then stop stop stop ..................... or when land transactions are taking place - hard for others to compete - although interestingly enough there has been more NZ land and houses sold to Americans than any other nationality recently ............... and that was before Nov 9th - just saying Smile

Exactly. There was a time-- a golden time if you weren't black or gay or Asian or Hispanic, or a woman-- but a golden time nonetheless-- when the US had almost all of the efficient factories in the world, a very substantial amount of the natural resources, the best agriculture-- pretty much the whole ball of wax. That was the late 40s and 50s. We could make and sell stuff all over the world, and everybody (ie, the white men) made pretty good livings making cars, tractors, washing machines, toys, cattle, and corn.

That time is not now and almost certainly will never be again. The post-WW2 problems in the formerly industrialized countries (mostly Europe and Japan) were resolved over time, and the Pacific and Asian and Latin American countries developed industries and agriculture. There is simply a whole world competing against the US now, on both the production side and the consumer side. I seriously doubt they are generally going to just take the prices we offer without protest.

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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:49 am

I'll just silently protest and use inches, feet and non-metric bolts. But I do eat off of china sometimes for fancy meals.

I wish Tom Burke sold commodities, hay and range cubes. I bet he would call back before the next week.

I have an old Yearbook of Agriculture from the early 1900,s maybe the teens. It said that America and especially the USA cotton market was changing because of the shift to worldwide markets. Now, 100+ years later we are talking about it all over again for the unpteenth time. Looks like somebody would have fixed it in the last 100 years to save us the trouble.

Eddie, where 4 quarts make a gallon and I can stir up a peck of dust
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:21 pm

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I`ve got 100 females for sale, and based on the below, you better buy them now...

Dear Fellow Angus Breeders,
The elections are over whether or not you voted for Donald Trump is now history. We must get behind him and move forward. If he does what he said he would do in closing the borders to imports, such as red meat, protein if you wish, and stopping product coming in from Mexico, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil and Argentina, get ready for the wildest cattle demand that you have ever seen. If he does this we all better start building our cattle inventory. We can only pray that he will follow through on these promises. Congratulations to the President-Elect on his victory!
Cheers,
Tom Burke

having to pray after voting for my choice seems a bit paradoxical to me...

  After a lifetime of trying to improve cattle, already getting the feeling tonight that selling ALL the replacement bred heifers is akin to selling a piece of your soul;
the devil has until 9AM tomorrow to place a contending bid; I only heard from him once today when I missed a four foot putt on number nine, I offered cheap, but he just keep laughing instead bidding, why buy what you can have for free?

at least https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KBQLgeKRbg

how nice to sell 50 head and lighten the labor requirements; still keep the nucleus in tact; for no other reason than the pride and self-satisfaction of personal accomplishment; and prove that you can get real registered price without jumping through government hoops and creating a useless paper pedigree; THX to long time customers who will pay for REAL VALUE  in the real world of commercial production who have no use for the CON GAME of sales managers, paper rarity whether numbers or names, or little clipped up club calf heifers that resemble a big sheep more than a working cow... cheers

I know a couple of greedy old bastards that would be worried sick they were selling too cheap when the buyer calls and wants 10 more females, and a couple more bulls to breed their own...I choose to relish the thought a young man of 30{with lots of experience} with his future ahead of him with a nucleus to perpetuate his own tru-x seedstock to use on the other 300 cows he runs...it`s particularly satisfying to be outselling the registered, epd`d, fescue dna`d, tall grass recommended, nose flapped, bob-tailed, clipped, newsletter`d, over-hyped, sale manager praised cows...for one basic reason...ours are better cheers
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:08 pm

Bob, are you sure COOL ending is the cause of the current cattle price decline? It was introduced in late 2008 and from the figures shown in this table it looks like 2009 and 2010 had lower prices than the figure you quoted for this year.

https://www.extension.iastate.edu/agdm/livestock/pdf/b2-12.pdf

Our cattle prices in Canada peaked about the same time as yours and have declined about the same as yours also. So if COOL is bad for US cattlemen shouldn't the ending of it have caused an upturn in Canadian cattlemen's fortunes? It certainly hasn't as our prices have fallen in tandem with yours. I think COOL, and the ending of, is being wrongly blamed here as the cause of your cattle price decline.

COOL is reckoned to have cost Canadian beef, pork and lamb producers a $billion a year.  But hey, what's a COOL $7 billion among friends?
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:35 pm

I thought the price decline started when packers cut weekly kills by about 20% or more if I remember right. Retail prices were at a peak which had consumer consumption headed down, so little risk for price increase from lack of supply. The processing chain backed up and cattle prices began a free fall. This was timed when production from USA herd rebuilding was coming on line. But I could be mistaken.

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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:44 pm

RobertMac wrote:
I thought the price decline started when packers cut weekly kills by about 20% or more if I remember right. Retail prices were at a peak which had consumer consumption headed down, so little risk for price increase from lack of supply. The processing chain backed up and cattle prices began a free fall. This was timed when production from USA herd rebuilding was coming on line. But I could be mistaken.

Read the same and makes sense...
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:48 pm

Worked 50 calves today...not an excersize of jubilation thinking in terms of 25,000 instead of 50,000 dollars...easy to get spoiled. .
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:51 am

How would you describe the difference between modern war and modern industry-between say, bombing and strip mining, or between chemical warfare and chemical manufacturing? The difference seems to be only that in war the victimization of humans is directly intentional and in industry it is "accepted" as a "trade-off." Were the catastrophes of Love Canal, Bhopal, Chernobyl, and the Exxon Valdez episodes of war or of peace? They were in fact, peacetime acts of aggression, intentional to the extent that the risks were known and ignored.
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Thu Nov 17, 2016 8:35 am

MKeeney wrote:
How would you describe the difference between modern war and modern industry-between say, bombing and strip mining, or between chemical warfare and chemical manufacturing? The difference seems to be only that in war the victimization of humans is directly intentional and in industry it is "accepted" as a "trade-off." Were the catastrophes of Love Canal, Bhopal, Chernobyl, and the Exxon Valdez episodes of war or of peace? They were in fact, peacetime acts of aggression, intentional to the extent that the risks were known and ignored.
Don't forget lead paint, volatile emissions from vinyl and plastics with polycarbs and such.
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:38 am

let`s not go on a total guilt trip Eddie, I did ask that Linda`s sausage egg biscuit be put in a plastic bag this morning Smile

I don`t quite know the correct word, I find it amusing? ironic? paradoxical ? that the greatest everyday advocates of CAPITALISM have just elected
what appears to be one of the most successful practitioners in hopes of putting an END to capitalism...
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:41 am

I am not sure about Canada. It appears that cool was good for both as the Canadian product before was going to the restaurant bossiness as they were not under COOL only retail. Now all product is the same no mater how it was raised or where. Bob H
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:53 am

The fascinating thing about the cow herd rebuild is it takes over 30 months from conception and 40 months from birth of the heifer to conceive and produce a piece of meat. Yet we supposedly did it in 18. The people were deceived by a bunch of deceivers.
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:50 am

Bob H wrote:
The fascinating thing about the cow herd rebuild is it takes over 30 months from conception and 40 months from birth of the heifer to conceive and produce a piece of meat.  Yet we supposedly did it in 18. The people were deceived by a bunch of deceivers.
Bob, our role is to stay mum and pay the checkoff. Please do not think!
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:33 am

Bob H wrote:
The fascinating thing about the cow herd rebuild is it takes over 30 months from conception and 40 months from birth of the heifer to conceive and produce a piece of meat.  Yet we supposedly did it in 18. The people were deceived by a bunch of deceivers.

I think all it really demonstrates is the value of cattle market outlooks. They didn't forecast the market going so high so fast, and they didn't predict the market drop this low this soon.
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:51 pm

The interesting thing is it was apparent if you looked at where fat cattle were in 2008 at 95 cents before cool and where it bottomed in 2016 95 cents. I just read today's cattle on feed it is 99% of a year ago wow we went thru that herd expansion fast or is it more posturing ahead of the inaugural that no one seen coming. hmh
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:55 pm

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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:17 pm

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would be just a cow here; finds her way into a photo among all those seed savers? you don`t need seed savers when the seed renews itself with regularity...
had to laugh about this comment about some ole unproven Canadian bull "wish I could get semen"...cattle breeding is not about back in time; it is about
going forward without screwing up...
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1160025697378127&set=a.944830912230941.1073741827.100001121223406&type=3&theater

To be fair, the "seed savers" were a nice group of cows. I liked the KA sired cow in the picture best though.

there`s evidently a shortage of good Angus genetics in Argentina

http://www.billpelton.com/salereport.php?saleid=1166
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:42 am

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interesting read here Bob...sounds to me like FDR has risen from the grave or wherever...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ringside-with-steve-bannon-at-trump-tower-as-the-president-elects-strategist-plots-an-entirely-new-political-movement/ar-AAktbM8?ocid=spartandhp
One of the few preachers I can tolerate seeing it about right by me...now comes the self prescribed medicine whose side effects may be worse than the illness...we'll see..
http://www.kentucky.com/living/religion/paul-prather/article115616263.html
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:44 am

MKeeney wrote:
Mean Spirit wrote:
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would be just a cow here; finds her way into a photo among all those seed savers? you don`t need seed savers when the seed renews itself with regularity...
had to laugh about this comment about some ole unproven Canadian bull "wish I could get semen"...cattle breeding is not about back in time; it is about
going forward without screwing up...
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1160025697378127&set=a.944830912230941.1073741827.100001121223406&type=3&theater

To be fair, the "seed savers" were a nice group of cows. I liked the KA sired cow in the picture best though.

there`s evidently a shortage of good Angus genetics in Argentina

http://www.billpelton.com/salereport.php?saleid=1166

I think substantially all of the embryos sold to Argentina.

If that fat Spanish-speaking SAV bull on the other thread is aimed at Argentina, then they might need these seed savers very badly.
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:48 am

Shipping out three et inbred nucleus today, the dispersal continues at fire sale prices...the buyer met the primary qualifications, he`s 30 yrs old, and he works...
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:31 pm

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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:47 pm

In the vein of the previous post,{on facebook} I happily lost one of my best bull customers yesterday, Clint Pace. Clint has been coming here for near half of his twenty nine years as best we can figure, and yesterday loaded out 35 young bred females with the last two bulls he will ever need from here. This breeding unit is the product of a "program" not a helter-skelter "pedigree", a functional pasture harvesting machine instead of a mass of mathematics.
In Tru-line fashion, these cattle and resulting offspring will bear Clint`s name and brand, for it will be HIS selection that now determines their function and adaptation to his farm and management. Tru-line breeders share a common philosophy, but they put their own name on their cattle; they don`t need a certifying society, government supported programs, or the coat tail of the latest rarity; our reputation is built on commercial results not registered ,three ring circuses. Independence is great in and of itself; but most satisfying when your cattle earn you that status commercially.




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