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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Mon May 09, 2016 7:58 pm

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An econical hedge factor...after 30 days, crossbreed the test...who wins the maternal contest. ..selection for 30 day calving or Crossbreed outside the 30 day window?

I don't care for the 30-day test unless they were synchronized and then exposed to bulls.  Even then, I don't think the 30-day test is ideal.

well 45 is better? I don`t get it...

here`s females from 30 yrs of using top ai bulls; these would get show me/ decker top ratings...

http://lexington.craigslist.org/grd/5576716643.html

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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Mon May 09, 2016 8:00 pm

MKeeney wrote:
df wrote:
MKeeney wrote:
An econical hedge factor...after 30 days, crossbreed the test...who wins the maternal contest. ..selection for 30 day calving or Crossbreed outside the 30 day window?

I don't care for the 30-day test unless they were synchronized and then exposed to bulls.  Even then, I don't think the 30-day test is ideal.

well 45 is better? I don`t get it...

here`s females from  30 yrs of using top ai bulls; these would get show me/ decker top ratings...

http://lexington.craigslist.org/grd/5576716643.html


What is magical about 30? Why not 21?
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Mon May 09, 2016 8:00 pm

MKeeney wrote:
df wrote:
MKeeney wrote:
An econical hedge factor...after 30 days, crossbreed the test...who wins the maternal contest. ..selection for 30 day calving or Crossbreed outside the 30 day window?

I don't care for the 30-day test unless they were synchronized and then exposed to bulls.  Even then, I don't think the 30-day test is ideal.

well 45 is better? I don`t get it...

here`s females from  30 yrs of using top ai bulls; these would get show me/ decker top ratings...

http://lexington.craigslist.org/grd/5576716643.html


What is magical about 30?  Why not 21?
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Mon May 09, 2016 8:37 pm

df wrote:
MKeeney wrote:
df wrote:
MKeeney wrote:
An econical hedge factor...after 30 days, crossbreed the test...who wins the maternal contest. ..selection for 30 day calving or Crossbreed outside the 30 day window?

I don't care for the 30-day test unless they were synchronized and then exposed to bulls.  Even then, I don't think the 30-day test is ideal.

well 45 is better? I don`t get it...

here`s females from  30 yrs of using top ai bulls; these would get show me/ decker top ratings...

http://lexington.craigslist.org/grd/5576716643.html


What is magical about 30?  Why not 21?
SURE...why not...?
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Mon May 09, 2016 9:00 pm

In a perfect world, why not 21?
Do cows cycle at a perfect 21?
Are gestations exact?
30 days you are assured of getting all first cycles.

Fertility is the best indicator of a properly working endocrine system which indicates cows best adapted to environment. Something an epd will never tell you.
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Mon May 09, 2016 11:41 pm

RobertMac wrote:
In a perfect world, why not 21?
Do cows cycle at a perfect 21?
Are gestations exact?
30 days you are assured of getting all first cycles.

Fertility is the best indicator of a properly working endocrine system which indicates cows best adapted to environment. Something an epd will never tell you.
Have you genetically improved fertility?
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Tue May 10, 2016 12:22 am

df wrote:
RobertMac wrote:
In a perfect world, why not 21?
Do cows cycle at a perfect 21?
Are gestations exact?
30 days you are assured of getting all first cycles.

Fertility is the best indicator of a properly working endocrine system which indicates cows best adapted to environment. Something an epd will never tell you.
Have you genetically improved fertility?

perhaps not; certainly not made it worse; more than I can say for most...

how did you like these show me select superstars ???

http://lexington.craigslist.org/grd/5576716643.html
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Tue May 10, 2016 6:26 am

A thirty day purebred calving season eliminates this need...

http://www.agweb.com/article/university-of-missouri-awarded-2m-to-study-cattle-genetics-naa-associated-press/

I just read a quote from our newly elected repub ky ag commissioner that 1 in 6 Kentuckians go to bed hungry, and 1 in 5 school children do not know from where their next meal comes...and yes, he wants to government to be part of the solution {no mention of more money...yet}
first, I don`t believe the statistics; second, government can`t cure what it didn`t create, and third, if government is still intent on solutions, take my cattle study money, and all this tobacco money applied to making me more productive {and many farmers now feeling welfare entitled} and address the problem of hunger...and obesity, as I see at least one in six kids waddling instead of walking...of course, a positive of that is more surface area for more and larger tattoo`s...paid for by whom?
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Tue May 10, 2016 6:54 am

MKeeney wrote:
df wrote:
RobertMac wrote:
In a perfect world, why not 21?
Do cows cycle at a perfect 21?
Are gestations exact?
30 days you are assured of getting all first cycles.

Fertility is the best indicator of a properly working endocrine system which indicates cows best adapted to environment. Something an epd will never tell you.
Have you genetically improved fertility?

perhaps not; certainly not made it worse; more than I can say for most...

how did you like these show me select superstars ???

http://lexington.craigslist.org/grd/5576716643.html

LOL! Yes those heifers were pretty impressive!
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Tue May 10, 2016 6:54 am

MKeeney wrote:
A thirty day purebred calving season eliminates this need...

http://www.agweb.com/article/university-of-missouri-awarded-2m-to-study-cattle-genetics-naa-associated-press/

I just read a quote from our newly elected repub ky ag commissioner that 1 in 6 Kentuckians go to bed hungry, and 1 in 5 school children do not know from where their next meal comes...and yes, he wants to government to be part of the solution {no mention of more money...yet}
first, I don`t believe the statistics; second, government can`t cure what it didn`t create, and third, if government is still intent on solutions, take my cattle study money, and all this tobacco money applied to making me more productive {and many farmers now feeling welfare entitled} and address the problem of hunger...and obesity, as I see at least one in six kids waddling instead of walking...of course, a positive of that is more surface area for more and larger tattoo`s...paid for by whom?

Yes, but as well all know, marketing has been beating common sense for a while now!
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Tue May 10, 2016 7:14 am

yes, and always will...common sense ain`t so common; nor will it ever be...that`s why I`m always looking for the few, not the multitudes...
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Tue May 10, 2016 7:30 am

Hope all is well in KY. I wanted to let you know of a field day near Cookeville on Sept 20-22. RP Cooke will have some good speakers including Doug Peterson and Gordon Hazard. This will be a small group as RP wants to make it more personable for attendees. If you would like to contact RP Cooke for more details, he can be reached at 931-256-0928.
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Tue May 10, 2016 8:21 am

MKeeney wrote:
A thirty day purebred calving season eliminates this need...

http://www.agweb.com/article/university-of-missouri-awarded-2m-to-study-cattle-genetics-naa-associated-press/

I just read a quote from our newly elected repub ky ag commissioner that 1 in 6 Kentuckians go to bed hungry, and 1 in 5 school children do not know from where their next meal comes...and yes, he wants to government to be part of the solution {no mention of more money...yet}
first, I don`t believe the statistics; second, government can`t cure what it didn`t create, and third, if government is still intent on solutions, take my cattle study money, and all this tobacco money applied to making me more productive {and many farmers now feeling welfare entitled} and address the problem of hunger...and obesity, as I see at least one in six kids waddling instead of walking...of course, a positive of that is more surface area for more and larger tattoo`s...paid for by whom?

Maybe the kentucky dept of ag should be teaching how to raise gardens and preserve food. I can remember when I was a kid, mom was teaching gardening, cooking and food preservation to those on government assistance. I think it would be a great idea to have every state government promote raising home gardens. Make those on SNAP do a certain amount of their work hours in community gardens and share in the food produced.
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Wed May 11, 2016 6:33 am

"make" is not an operative word...this country is not a labor camp; food stamps are also an assist to agriculture   ...after some more thought, if you make $10/hr, have two kids and are honest, you might skip some on food; I have no clue...I best retract my criticism walking in golf shoes instead of their shoes...
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Wed May 11, 2016 7:05 am

Obesity and people's poor ability to move including bend, squat, push and pull is astounding. Lack of recess and PE in the schools is a big problem. I am not certain how many could physically raise a garden or even play a round of golf. At the same time I agree there are a lot of hungry kids out there. The Amish seem to be doing just fine but people don't want to live that way either. I am glad I am not told how to live and especially breed my cattle. I appreciate opportunities to observe and learn from others .....and I don't mean how to take advantage of the system and get free stuff for nothing.

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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Sat May 14, 2016 1:59 pm

wow...I don`t know when a quote has ever before become an earworm...

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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Sun May 22, 2016 9:01 am

df wrote:
RobertMac wrote:
In a perfect world, why not 21?
Do cows cycle at a perfect 21?
Are gestations exact?
30 days you are assured of getting all first cycles.

Fertility is the best indicator of a properly working endocrine system which indicates cows best adapted to environment. Something an epd will never tell you.
Have you genetically improved fertility?

I've been contemplating your question.
I can see genetic improvement for adaptation, but that isn't reflected in fertility numbers.
Recent trend is that I'm having more first calved heifers breed back first cycle. My group is too small to be meaningful.
To borrow from Mr. L, I see enough progress to continue my program.
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Wed May 25, 2016 7:57 am

RobertMac wrote:
df wrote:
RobertMac wrote:
In a perfect world, why not 21?
Do cows cycle at a perfect 21?
Are gestations exact?
30 days you are assured of getting all first cycles.

Fertility is the best indicator of a properly working endocrine system which indicates cows best adapted to environment. Something an epd will never tell you.
Have you genetically improved fertility?

I've been contemplating your question.
I can see genetic improvement for adaptation, but that isn't reflected in fertility numbers.
Recent trend is that I'm having more first calved heifers breed back first cycle. My group is too small to be meaningful.
To borrow from Mr. L, I see enough progress to continue my program.

I see enough progress to continue my program

Robert, it`s slow, but so do I...It can be discouraging at times, then you wake up to something you couldn`t make up as good in your email ; and on we go...

Hi Mike,
I hope that you are doing well. I just sold my bull that I bought off of you a few years ago. I have retained 3 bulls from him that I am using and have several cows and heifers from him that I am using now.
However, I have an overabundance of grass and hay and am needing more cattle. Do you have any Keeney heifers or cows for sale? I only want your Keeney/Shoshone purebred Angus pedigrees that you stand behind for superb maternal ability. I don't want anything out of a bull that it is being promoted by the American Angus Association as being the best thing out there.





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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:11 am

the types, they are a changing....
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1152547844779940&set=rpd.100000742072796&type=3&theater

brought on by the club calf boys once again...
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:54 am

So much growth. So little muscle. If you adjust this guy's EPDs, he'd be among the growthiest Charolais bulls available, and would have the worst ribeye in the breed. Perfect complement to a bunch of smaller very muscular cows.
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Wed Jun 15, 2016 5:47 pm

MKeeney wrote:
df wrote:
RobertMac wrote:
In a perfect world, why not 21?
Do cows cycle at a perfect 21?
Are gestations exact?
30 days you are assured of getting all first cycles.

Fertility is the best indicator of a properly working endocrine system which indicates cows best adapted to environment. Something an epd will never tell you.
Have you genetically improved fertility?

perhaps not; certainly not made it worse; more than I can say for most...

how did you like these show me select superstars ???

http://lexington.craigslist.org/grd/5576716643.html

Just saw these - oh no is all I will say - they all need a very good feed or if they are having good feed already then are even more tragic - interesting sale results around the traps in NZ so far. Good Herefords are selling very well - my guess is that farmers are looking for some hybrid vigour and the premiums offered by AngusPure (meat marketing) are not attractive enough to compensate for dramatically lowered growth rates amongst some lines of "performance" black cattle despite the EBV graphs for all traits going only one way ... up and up and up ....... Evil or Very Mad Twisted Evil . Not to mention fertility issues must be creeping in where the same lethal defect laden genetics have been used again and again.

Meanwhile a major meat processor has started assessing each carcase (much like US) and awarding premiums for those that meet their Master Grade Eating Quality grade (designed from about 40,000 taste tests and much research in both NZ and US). 10 out of 10 of our steers which are really just the poorest bull calves made the grade in March - national average is 29% - who said that the Friel cattle have no carcase ................ (just because the computer says does not make it so ...........) - they do not care whether the outside is black, red, white, blue or brindle, although they too pay another premium on top for Angus (was a good payment for those steers is all I will say Cool )

To compound matters for our regions bull sellers there is a major Autumn drought going on - we are okay here tucked up under the mountains but further north is like mid summer, no grass, land and so even the most ardent "She'll be right" advocate has hit the panic button and many many beef cows have been killed - our sale was sluggish and we passed in 10 bulls where normally we would pass 1 or two or better yet none - we thought it was a disaster until other sales results started appearing - one vendor was so disgusted with the proceedings at his place that he called off the auction mid way - we are very happy to have a dispersed regular clientele from different regions not so affected by the dry, with many of them being very established experienced farmers who farm for all contingencies and have a plan b for most - we attracted 4 new buyers but several of our regulars did not need bulls this year and we did not pick up the casual interest to mop up the left behinds - always next year - and smiling again now that it is apparent that the result was not anything to do with what we coulda, shoulda, or woulda have done differently in our breeding philosophies.
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:01 pm

you have a national cattlemen`s association in NZ ? BEEF PROMOTION ETC?
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:48 pm

just wondering if this works...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1063847416995956&set=pcb.1063882953659069&type=3&theater

some pics from today by clicking...
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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:56 pm

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PostSubject: Re: 2016 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Sat Jul 30, 2016 9:36 pm

Humors me you are only calling him a prospect.
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