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PostSubject: Early tru-line breeding methods   Wed May 27, 2015 9:22 am

Larry`s methods evolved over the next 25 years considerably from this early story .. in recent years, he stopped giving out the tru-line booklet to the masses as he considered it obsolete...

http://www.angusjournal.com/ArticlePDF/0388_Whatcanyoulearn1_small.pdf

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PostSubject: Re: Early tru-line breeding methods   Thu May 28, 2015 1:50 pm

a piece of the later evolving philosophy created primarily by the act of closing the herd...can`t be posted too many times  Smile

Individual pedigrees provide a nostalgic, irrecoverable history of the past.   The past history of the Shoshone foundation is documented on the following pages.    On this foundation the structure is being built from the nucleus of this germ plasm. Maintaining individual by individual pedigrees for all the representatives selected from that germ plasm pool to propagate the preferred characteristics is not only a hindrance to our overall long term direction, it is superfluous.   Since no one knows all the characteristics of his stock better than the owner, the brand name "Shoshone" and a number will suffice as a pedigree, and ultimately it will become synonymous with the characteristics the population portrays.    Larry Leonhardt
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PostSubject: Re: Early tru-line breeding methods   Fri May 29, 2015 7:04 am

wonder why the AJ never did a concluding story on Larry`s road to consistency after he had achieved the milestone of no longer weighing or registering his cattle? Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Early tru-line breeding methods   Fri May 29, 2015 7:35 pm

are you, or is even the industry ready to take advantage of this technology? nothing would advance the tru-line concept faster...

http://beefmagazine.com/cattle-genetics/sexed-semen-next-reproductive-standard

What’s the most important genetic trait in your herd? Calving ease? Weaning weight? Milk? Mature cow size? Stability?

According to George Seidel, a Colorado State University reproductive physiologist, it’s the sex of the calf. “It is determined genetically, and whether it’s a bull calf or a heifer calf has a big effect on what we’re going to do with that particular calf.”

Troy would think not...

http://beefmagazine.com/blog/genetic-evaluation-now-hands-commercial-cattle-producers?NL=BEEF-01&Issue=BEEF-01_20150529_BEEF-01_819&sfvc4enews=42&cl=article_3&utm_rid=CPG02000000643974&utm_campaign=4163&utm_medium=email

Perhaps the biggest step in this regard has been taken, with very little fanfare, by the American Simmental Association (ASA), which now provides EPDs for commercial cowherds. Commercial cattlemen who participate will be the beneficiary of selection tools that, in time, will be as powerful, if not more so, than what the seedstock industry enjoys today. The ability to fine-tune selection decisions, optimize profits and ensure sustainability from a genetic selection perspective is entering a brave new era.
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PostSubject: Re: Early tru-line breeding methods   Fri May 29, 2015 10:35 pm

Mike,
Do you know how many cows Larry was running when he closed the herd?
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PostSubject: Re: Early tru-line breeding methods   Sat May 30, 2015 6:35 am

conservatively speaking, 200 plus...a couple of Cedar Hills bulls were brought in about 1992-3...one got used quite a bit; it was something of an experiment to compare the close bred daughters against the outcross daughters...a half Shoshone came in about 98...the multiple sire process; no registration didn`t get in full swing until about 2005...
Safe to say there were many closer bred matings in the herd from the beginnings of the relationship with Wye/ Lingle and Clark late 60`s...but remember, a total directional change in purpose early 80`s
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PostSubject: Re: Early tru-line breeding methods   Sat May 30, 2015 1:52 pm

Was thinking of Larry a couple of days ago. Had a mother/son mating calf born, 33% IBC (my mistake when sorting cows, not intentional). It didn't have two heads, didn't look anything different to the average, just looked "more of the same". Without LL I'd never have considered doing such things but I like what I'm seeing.
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PostSubject: Re: Early tru-line breeding methods   Sun May 31, 2015 1:54 am

Grassy,
the greatest satisfaction of the website has been the dialogue that developed between breeders and Larry; the record of which is a history in younger hands that should live way beyond me...provided one doesn't`t continue to work too hard; the other to play too hard Smile ...Think I`ll re-share some memories maybe some readers haven`t been exposed to...
I was at the Walbridge sale when I ran into John H Ramsey who I knew from UK...I had been the resident show jock @ UK...Walbridge was one of the famous NY state herds; had expanded, maybe moved entirely to Kentucky; I forget...the manager /owner showed at and judged the big shows so I naturally thought he was someone to revere; later I would learn they would have feed bills and cattle they couldn`t pay for; we paid our bills; rather maybe I should say if we didn`t have the money, we didn`t buy things...not having enough money to be foolish has saved a lot of people from themselves...
Anyway, John said Bart had the entire herd bred to Titan; and so I asked "who was Titan" and then "who was Larry Leonhardt"...I was determined to know more because John said Titan was the tallest, highest performance bull around that everyone was breeding to, so I was anxious to learn more...this was the fall of 78...Larry had an occasional ad in the AJ in those days but hadn`t been big enough or glossy enough to catch my attention...
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