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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:52 pm

Gidday - been a bit preoccupied - thanks Eddie - the day here went really well. The cattle were very well behaved. Kevin and I were up with the birds and around where the "gathering" was going to occur and then realised that there were only two of us and much to do. Slight panic attack but then into it - amazing how seemingly two person jobs become doable by one when push comes to shove - Kevin the cattle me the table sh/lifting and setting etc - caterers did an excellent job but probably catered x1 so we have as much salad and beef in our possession as was eaten on the day -sadly two of the girls are all in school for the weekend - one debating and the other rehearsing for two stage productions - have sent out the sos to the poor starving uni students so they may come home this weekend and relieve our groaning fridge.

Not holding our breath for any "big" thing to come out of the tour - you know stud breeders - they get all excited and then move onto the next stud and next shiny toy lol! We are happy with how our cattle presented themselves and from our coming and going on the tour (1am bedtimes since Tuesday night - starting to feel it this morning) I think ours is the only place where folk could wander through the penned bulls without several men with sticks to manage them.
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Thu Mar 12, 2015 8:55 pm

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Gidday - been a bit preoccupied - thanks Eddie - the day here went really well.  The cattle were very well behaved.  Kevin and I were up with the birds and around where the "gathering" was going to occur and then realised that there were only two of us and much to do.  Slight panic attack but then into it - amazing how seemingly two person jobs become doable by one when push comes to shove - Kevin the cattle me the table sh/lifting and setting etc - caterers did an excellent job but probably catered x1 so we have as much salad and beef in our possession as was eaten on the day -sadly two of the girls are all in school for the weekend - one debating and the other rehearsing for two stage productions - have sent out the sos to the poor starving uni students so they may come home this weekend and relieve our groaning fridge.

Not holding our breath for any "big" thing to come out of the tour - you know stud breeders - they get all excited and then move onto the next stud and next shiny toy lol! We are happy with how our cattle presented themselves and from our coming and going on the tour (1am bedtimes since Tuesday night - starting to feel it this morning) I think ours is the only place where folk could wander through the penned bulls without several men with sticks to manage them.

Congratulation on a successful event.
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:22 pm

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I think ours is the only place where folk could wander through the penned bulls without several men with sticks to manage them.

wow; herding folks with sticks...so you have board member problems in NZ as well Question Question Shocked Shocked ...I`m in favor of dna testing; at least a 100k chip, of all new AAA members to prevent future election fiasco`s ...
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:15 am

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I think ours is the only place where folk could wander through the penned bulls without several men with sticks to manage them.

wow; herding folks with sticks...so you have board member problems in NZ as well Question  Question  Shocked  Shocked ...I`m in favor of dna testing; at least a 100k chip, of all new AAA members to prevent future election fiasco`s ...

Always need a few good men with sticks to settle those board members - anytime anyplace lol! - although in this case you know I meant the cattle - good one Mike lol!
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:40 am

Smile
Congrats on a good day Megan cheers ...you never quite know what may come of it; you might even inspire someone to be a breeder instead of a marketer...my goal is to find two new tru-liners a year...tough job when tru is part of the equation instead of pretend....
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:10 am

hey Megan, I see the Eagles are playing in NZ... course they might be a little outdated for you and Kevin... Cool Cool
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Sat Mar 14, 2015 3:49 pm

We would love to see them - sadly timing and all - have many peers who went and would have rocked the house down - lucky they played last night in Auckland - Tropical Cyclone (Hurricane if we were in Nthn Hemisphere) is bearing down on NZ after smashing through Vanuatu.  We expecting it passing us tomorrow - huge rain and high winds.  Lucky fast moving so damage should not be to extreme - another Cyclone Bola created mayhem and misery along the east coast a few years ago by being stalled by other weather systems - huge flooding and land slips - took years for farming community to recover.

Edit - my mistake - they have another concert in Auckland tonight - started it early though so hopefully will miss worst of weather - the rain radar not looking pretty - we are expecting a lot of rain and strong winds
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Sun Mar 15, 2015 8:53 am

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We would love to see them - sadly timing and all - have many peers who went and would have rocked the house down - lucky they played last night in Auckland - Tropical Cyclone (Hurricane if we were in Nthn Hemisphere) is bearing down on NZ after smashing through Vanuatu.  We expecting it passing us tomorrow - huge rain and high winds.  Lucky fast moving so damage should not be to extreme - another Cyclone Bola created mayhem and misery along the east coast a few years ago by being stalled by other weather systems - huge flooding and land slips - took years for farming community to recover.

Edit - my mistake - they have another concert in Auckland tonight - started it early though so hopefully will miss worst of weather - the rain radar not looking pretty - we are expecting a lot of rain and strong winds

hunker down...has the worst passed?
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:53 pm

Tropical Cyclone Pam ,reduced to Tropical Storm to a bit of rain about the ranges - we have had lovely rain but the winds from East and south do not bother us much - the westerly is the one that blasts us - think there is probably some damage and flooding further up the Island but seemingly not as troublesome as expected - Vanuatu has taken a hiding though so Pam certainly packed a punch further up the Pacific Ocean - the cyclones tend to lose their oomph over the cooling waters as they come south - luckily
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:36 pm

nothing happening of note; on the net or out; positive or negative worth mentioning; so how about my positive view of the sheep business Smile



my mom would be very proud of her favorite great granddaughter`s back yard set-up and her practical utilization of mom`s kitchen step ladder:)
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:06 am

Ah - pet lambs - so happy that stage of my life is over ............... happy to see a young lady taking initiative to look after one well though.

Got rid of 451 of ours today to the works and drafted up another two lines of 192 big male white faces and 266 mid sized male white faces to go to the sale yards tomorrow - Cyclone Pam has brought much needed rain to many places and the heat is on for lambs to finish - our window of opportunity to finish them ourselves is rapidly closing so best idea to get them off the place and somewhere that someone has new grasses or brassica crops specially sown to trade lambs. The left behind black faces and whitefaced males have all been drenched and we will have another pick through them in a couple of weeks when drench withholding time finished. It was a bit tricky being in amongst them and sorting them for me - the horse jumped on my toes the other day and they were nearly recovered until a lamb stood fair and square on them yesterday to remind me of my malady - owwwwww!!!
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:44 am

sheep business  sound a bit too much like work to me Evil or Very Mad
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:49 pm

Far to much Mike - especially when we are virtually giving our lambs away this year - drought, Ukraine embargos and just bad business by our processors all add up to a perfect storm for many more ewes to be killed in preference for other farming animals. We wish we had country that did not need the woolly maggots or our numbers would be adjusted accordingly too.
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:28 pm

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Ah - pet lambs - so happy that stage of my life is over

Used to say in Scotland if you had a spite against someone give them a pet lamb!
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:39 pm

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pukerimu wrote:
Ah - pet lambs - so happy that stage of my life is over

Used to say in Scotland if you had a spite against someone give them a pet lamb!

As of yesterday from helping a neighbor - "If you really hate a man, give him a two man posthole digger." The lamb will not try to kill you or strain your back. I bet if they reinstituted the chaingang and made them all run 2 man posthole diggers every day they would get out of the camps and be model citizens. Maybe a bit decrepit, but model!
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:17 pm

Haha - Grass farmer - my sentiments on the matter exactly - we have two pet ewes that are the only remnants of the pet lamb brigade - while they keep producing they can stay - the friendliest is the shyest breeder ........................... Ouch Eddie - sounds like fun ........ not - hope the body recovers soon
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:44 am

Megan, what`s with the

Sale comments provided by the Vendor. New Zealand Angus Association assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of these comments

in your catalog...you mean I can actually sue NZAA  if by chance   Rolling Eyes any  inaccuracy of their numbers is discovered through progeny...they seem to be implying that by distancing themselves from your footnotes...such as

Best suited as a large station bull - a more nervous disposition than most

would they know better than you?  Shocked

http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=3538202F&2=2928&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&11=525E5F59

read your pedigrees a bit...signifying nothing to me; but gives you
the info that allows you, not me, to pass some judgment...that you can pass on to me a customer; so even with pedigrees on paper, it becomes a matter of trust...

of course, I don`t have any pedigrees; on paper or in my mind; just a constant selection of characteristics...the variation outside those characteristics is eliminated; the pedigree of characteristics becomes the same and deeper over time...too simple for the critics to understand as Shakespeare notes...

it{theirs} is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing...


of course, if you are using or buying bulls from California to the New York island;
From the red wood forest to the Gulf Stream waters , you better track pedigrees and have the powers of Pat hope to build a training set of what came from where...may the force {hybridization} be with you;  since buying elsewhere would seem a sign you can`t or shouldn`t breed for yourself from your own...
here now {yes; late but.. experience teaches a dear school; but few men learn otherwise; fools never learn}
it all comes from me; if the results are less than promised, it`s me not john doe breeder at fault...

precautionary note...it`s why I don`t promise too much or sell too high; a concept freely shared and continued from my mentor and best friend, Larry Leonhardt...

Megan, I`ll post some pictures you sent soon...no greater testament to

I tend to think that the consequences of our selections are recorded accurately in our type ...
John Dockweiler, Nebraska Angus breeder...
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Sat Mar 21, 2015 3:55 pm

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would they know better than you?  Shocked


Not necessarily but we would prefer him to go somewhere with a group of bulls and unloaded with a heap of shepherds in attendance than travel a great distance by himself to be unloaded by himself in a yard by himself and then tried to be moved by a faithful client by himself, by themselves expecting one of our usual unusually quiet bulls - he will not be what they are wanting and we would prefer that they have that in black and white before, during and after the auction. We try to be open and honest like that - I know .......... right? .................... cheers
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:05 pm

no Megan, I mean would NZAA know more about your cattle than you? the disclaimer about your catalog comments{Sale comments provided by the Vendor. New Zealand Angus Association assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of these comments}
seems a bit over wrought to me given the accuracy of their own epds...
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:10 pm

Aha - I see what you are getting at ............ you were being too tricky even for me - NZAA is very good a making declarations and decrees themselves but take no responsibility for those uttered by their members ................... except often the decrees and declarations are produced / driven by those members who happen to be on the Board at any one time. Double dutch much?

Yes accuracies are low number wise but predictability as to how our cattle breed should be as plain as their nose which looks (along with the rest of their body) just like the noses and the rest of them as bulls that were catalogued last year, and the year before and the year before. Funny thing the indexes for many of our cattle have improved to almost average ............ go figure - someone has tweeked the "Magic" formula I daresay - does this mean we are going to start using them? ....................................... In the words of Steven Adams (Oklahoma Thunder) ................. Yeah Nah. She's right cuz Wink
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Sun Mar 22, 2015 5:11 am

all epds; even the most accurate one`s are averages; and don`t account for the variation that comprises the average...I`ll take a breeder`s experienced comments any day over the limitations and conclusions of the central data base in regard to observed characteristics relative to potential problems ...
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Wed Mar 25, 2015 3:27 am

Me too ..................
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:37 am

that said; the more consistent results of a breeding program; the less need for a footnote on every bull...and eventually, as earlier discussed, any need for an auction...this would also be dependent on a customer base that understands genotypic consistency being more important/relevant to results than phenotypic variation...
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:30 am

Megan, thx for the view and the invitation to go up there horseback riding...if it`s ok, I`ll just walk Smile



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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:34 am

will we need to pack some lunch? Smile

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