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pukerimu



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PostSubject: A different view   Mon Feb 23, 2015 3:23 pm

This is what we spend a lot of time doing when we are not chasing cattle ...................... bringing in the two tooth ewes with lambs for weaning and shearing the ewes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t50qjGtvz88

Hope the link works - enjoy - there are three huntaways - Jim (old reliable), Wag (aka stroke dog) and Sarge (new kid on the block) and one heading bitch, Jay (director of operations) - this is about 7km from the main yards at home.
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Mon Feb 23, 2015 4:13 pm

what is stopping the sheep from committing suicide on those side hills?
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Mon Feb 23, 2015 5:18 pm

We fenced off the nastiest piece at the very top of the track - came to a dead end and dropped right off - once you get the flow right they just follow the track - that was an incredibly smooth operation - we have had times when the mob has not drifted and ewes and lambs diving both up and down hill on either side of the track - those are the days the camera stays off - especially the audio lol!
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:01 pm

PatB wrote:
what is stopping the sheep from committing suicide on those side hills?  

They only use rams that are tested clean of OCDS (Ovine Cliff Diving Syndrome)
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:08 pm

Tom D wrote:
PatB wrote:
what is stopping the sheep from committing suicide on those side hills?  

They only use rams that are tested clean of OCDS (Ovine Cliff Diving Syndrome)

When we can find them Tom - sadly nobody has yet discovered a test for OUDS (Ovine Unexplained Death Syndrome) - they don't need to dive over banks - generally sheep are most inventive in finding a multitude of other ways to die - cliff diving so last week daaarling.
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:08 pm

Once upon a time, I shot a nice bull tahr on the south island. Four hundred yard shot across a deep gorge put him down, but with his last dying kick he managed to push himself over the edge. I think it took him about 15 seconds to hit the streambed below. He's still down there somewhere, but at least I didn't have to hire a helicopter to retrieve him from that cliff.

(I've been waiting for years for someone to bring up animals jumping off cliffs in New Zealand)
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:14 pm

Must be time for you to come back down under - no thar on our hillsides but a few red deer knocking about Wink
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:28 am

I'll have to look up what a thar or a tahr is in a foreign land. Around here it's where we keep our stuff. "Bubba, where is th' big ol' adjustable "ranch"? Why, Cuz, hit's over thar where you keep all your tools."
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:34 am

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I'll have to look up what a thar or a tahr is in a foreign land.  Around here it's where we keep our stuff.  "Bubba, where is th' big ol' adjustable "ranch"?  Why, Cuz, hit's over thar where you keep all your tools."

Well, they are a wild goat. Let's import some and start a new, rare and expensive breed here in the USA! Idea
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Mon Mar 02, 2015 8:38 pm

pukerimu wrote:
This is what we spend a lot of time doing when we are not chasing cattle ...................... bringing in the two tooth ewes with lambs for weaning and shearing the ewes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t50qjGtvz88

Hope the link works - enjoy - there are three huntaways - Jim (old reliable), Wag (aka stroke dog) and Sarge (new kid on the block) and one heading bitch, Jay (director of operations) - this is about 7km from the main yards at home.

wow Megan; what a video...I had forgotten to look this up after getting home to enough internet speed to do video...speaking of home; we have a reader in Seychelles tonight...are you on a beach vacation yet again? Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:42 pm

Hahaha Mike I wish - no we have been shearing the black face lambs and a few bought in ewes today.  The lambs were maggots to shed up last night so we were over there until 9.00pm - I knew as soon as we got over to the yards after dinner they were going to be obstinate little so and so's and I was not wrong.  Have been stacking a few wrapped bales on silage this afternoon and now have to track down the tape to fix up my bad tractor work ..........................  Seychelles sure sounds like a place to be.

That particular muster went like clock work - usually the sheep are not as co-operative as they were that morning - must have wanted to be rid of their lambs and wool .............. or perhaps we got out there early enough and they had not  had a chance to fill their bellies - hungry sheep run, full sheep do not!  Back out into it - has been a lovely spell of hot hot weather.  Have the Angus herd tour here next week - can't have gaping holes in our neatly stacked bales now can we???
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:49 am

Megan,
how many different sources of genetic suppliers do you depend on to make this crossbreeding program work? sorry if this is redundant...
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:22 am

EddieM wrote:
I'll have to look up what a thar or a tahr is in a foreign land.  Around here it's where we keep our stuff.  "Bubba, where is th' big ol' adjustable "ranch"?  Why, Cuz, hit's over thar where you keep all your tools."

Tahr are only found in Nepal and South Island, NZ. Phenomenal climbers, extremely wary.
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Tue Mar 03, 2015 1:28 pm

robert wrote:
EddieM wrote:
I'll have to look up what a thar or a tahr is in a foreign land.  Around here it's where we keep our stuff.  "Bubba, where is th' big ol' adjustable "ranch"?  Why, Cuz, hit's over thar where you keep all your tools."

Tahr are only found in Nepal and South Island, NZ. Phenomenal climbers, extremely wary.

Sound like EXT offspring.
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Tue Mar 03, 2015 2:19 pm


Megan will comment on my cross breeding question when she gets time...pics came through kinda small...
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Tue Mar 03, 2015 2:56 pm

robert wrote:
EddieM wrote:
I'll have to look up what a thar or a tahr is in a foreign land.  Around here it's where we keep our stuff.  "Bubba, where is th' big ol' adjustable "ranch"?  Why, Cuz, hit's over thar where you keep all your tools."

Tahr are only found in Nepal and South Island, NZ. Phenomenal climbers, extremely wary.
There are Tahr on Taffelberg in Cape Town, South Africa too.
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:53 pm

MKeeney wrote:

Megan will comment on my cross breeding question when she gets time...pics came through kinda small...

In the meantime, let's pick out the best one. Is it that one or the one over there? jocolor
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:31 pm

EddieM wrote:
MKeeney wrote:

Megan will comment on my cross breeding question when she gets time...pics came through kinda small...

In the meantime, let's pick out the best one.  Is it that one or the one over there? jocolor

reminds me of the stack of bull sale books gathered just this year.... and not one asked for.
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:54 pm

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Megan,
how many different sources of genetic suppliers do you depend on to make this crossbreeding program work? sorry if this is redundant...

Just two for the white faces - a Romney breeder and a Romdale breeder. Bit of history - Romney's in NZ were bred for one thing up until the 80's and that was wool - fertility was not an issue - no one expected to get 100% lambing and they grew wool everywhere - legs, faces ................... in 1984 when an anti farming Labour Govt was elected all subsidies etc were removed including one which basically paid people for how many livestock they had - this is about 15 years after the UK had joined the EEC and our tidy arrangement of selling all the wool and lamb that we produced to the UK ceased just like that. You can imagine the pain for many. Suddenly wool became almost worthless and as the reward for numbers of stock disappeared every stock unit counted - the Romney breeders started breeding the wool off the faces and legs and ewes were expected to not only have a live lamb but to have two. Meanwhile a Professor at Massey university Dr Perrin was perfecting his breed of hardy, mid micron wool, fertile cross of cheviot and a few other things which became stabilised in the 60's as a Perendale. Hardy and mobile but slightly mad headed.

We use the Romney to keep the wool bulk and quality and more laid back nature (they are still sheep afterall) with a cross of Perendale and more latterly a stabilised cross of Perendale and Romney called Romdale. Not having the time or inclination to record which rams are throwing twins or the best wool we leave it up to the specialist ram breeders to determine that and then buy their rams - they often do not have cattle, usually have labour and sometimes smaller parcels of land therefore having the luxury of time to watch their flock closely. We look for an open faced ewe with a good fleece and general vigour. Sheep either thrive or die so ones looking a bit dicey are likely to do the latter sooner or later.

The black faces are a mixed bag of South Suffolk and Southdown - the straight Suffolk is to soft for our climate and terrain - the South Suffolks even struggle - lots of boof headed Southdown lambs in the black face mobs this year. Lambs to lamb as hoggets (ylgs) and the four year olds (sold as 5 year olds) go to the black faces (lambs all fattened and sold) and the rest go to the Romney and Romdale to breed replacements ewes. Ram lambs are cryptorchid and sold in the yards usually in April - they take longer to finish and we do not have the luxury of holding them that long before the winter non growth period starts.
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:47 am

Megan, what do you pay for rams...% above commercial price? are there epd`s for sheep?
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:13 pm

SIL (Sheep Improvement Limited) is the EBV's for sheep - run by Ag Research I think - differs to cattle EBV's in that it ranks sheep within their own flock. We do not use them - Kevin buys on eye - seems to get it right most times. SIL is either much maligned or adored depending on who you talk to - it is a standing joke amongst some Stock Agents that they can always pick the highest ranking SIL ram in a pen - he will be the scungiest, ugliest one with a parrot mouth and rubbish feet. Other people will tell you that it has improved the national sheep flock without a shadow of doubt. Like cattle EBV's a little bit of that and a little bit of this should go into selection criteria - ie eye and numbers - of course that is assuming that the eyes know what they are looking at.

We paid NZD500 for our Romdale rams and NZD900 for the Romney rams. We pay around the $400 mark for the terminal (black faced) rams. Once a ram hogget has cut his second tooth he is valueless as an eating animal and has dog tucker value only. At the multi vendor stud ram sales prices in the thousands can be fetched for rams - usually between studs but commercial prices are around what we pay. A fat lamb of about 17.5kg is worth about $80-85 at the moment - not enough but the Russian vs Ukraine nonsense and EU embargoes means that our lamb is competing in the European and UK market with a flood of ex-Russian bound pork. Not to mention hold up at the port in the US and the drop in the oil price affecting sales to Middle East - she's a tenuous business being in the world markets. There will be even more capital stock ewes have their heads chopped off this year I feel.
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Fri Mar 06, 2015 1:02 am

probably no one right ; pro or con on the sheep epds as well...I`ve found there are 50 shades of grey in stories other than at the movies ... Smile
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Sat Mar 07, 2015 7:13 am

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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:08 am

Man I hope the attendees at the Angus herd tour who are visiting with us on Wednesday appreciate the effort involved in bringing in the heifer cow and bull cow mob - usually when we bring them in for sex drafting, weaning etc it is a gradual progression of the mobs closer and closer to home - not today and yesterday - the two mobs of cows were far from impressed with having to leave their hill top vistas, so ......... much leg work, and whip cracking involved at all stages of getting them to the yards ................... every step of the way Crying or Very sad Mad Twisted Evil - they were hard work - the upside is that we only decided against showing three pairs in the heifer mob for one reason or another and 7 in the bull calf mob - including a stifled calf (some of our hills are deadly) and a cow that broke her shoulder as a calf and while perfectly healed and sound is a bit wonky - best not to draw attention to potential criticism - every other cow on the place is available for nit picking ................................ Sleep
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PostSubject: Re: A different view   Mon Mar 09, 2015 9:11 pm

pukerimu wrote:
Man I hope the attendees at the Angus herd tour who are visiting with us on Wednesday appreciate the effort involved in bringing in the heifer cow and bull cow mob - usually when we bring them in for sex drafting, weaning etc it is a gradual progression of the mobs closer and closer to home - not today and yesterday - the two mobs of cows were far from impressed with having to leave their hill top vistas, so ......... much leg work, and whip cracking involved at all stages of getting them to the yards ................... every step of the way  Crying or Very sad  Mad  Twisted Evil  - they were hard work - the upside is that we only decided against showing three pairs in the heifer mob for one reason or another and 7 in the bull calf mob - including a stifled calf (some of our hills are deadly) and a cow that broke her shoulder as a calf and while perfectly healed and sound is a bit wonky - best not to draw attention to potential criticism - every other cow on the place is available for nit picking ................................ Sleep

Good news: all of the attendees will be experts! Get a windmill and you will be able to generate electricity from their talking. Little Pig, Little Pig let me come in (and see your Angus cattle) or I'll huff and puff and ... Hey, wait, I'll huff and puff regardless because.... I"M AN EXPERT!

Hope to goes well. I will have to remain an expert at a far distance! Send me a picture and I will try the huffing and puffing. jocolor
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