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PostSubject: did you know???   Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:09 am

that Iceland has more golf courses per capita than any country in the world? Very Happy Very Happy

you don`t care Question Question I didn`t ask you to care; just wanted you to know Smile
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PostSubject: Re: did you know???   Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:51 am

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that Iceland has more golf courses per capita than any country in the world? Very Happy Very Happy

you don`t care Question Question I didn`t ask you to care; just wanted you to know Smile

Due to less "capita" or less options?
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PostSubject: Re: did you know???   Wed Feb 18, 2015 6:30 pm

quite a feature in Golf Digest...hauntingly beautiful pictures...courses are open from May to September...but...24 hours a day...Megan, how many daylight hours do you have in summer?
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PostSubject: Re: did you know???   Wed Feb 18, 2015 6:41 pm

that perhaps nothing deters the adoption of artificial insemination, preconditioning protocols and other similar advances in beef cattle production than the lack of adequate working facilities according to Ohio State University....

plllleeeeaaaaassssseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...can we just drop the constant promotion and dwell on some thing that makes common sense to a man making a living with cows...well, no, they can`t, when common sense is absent and has no research funds attached....
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PostSubject: Re: did you know???   Wed Feb 18, 2015 6:58 pm

The Titans were pretty with lots of frame I remember telling folks they were the kind you could make money with if you had no papers great weaning weights and the kind the commercial folks were wanting. Remember in the late 70's we had these things to small 3 frame score! Biggest problem they really lacked milk! Udders were different than the Viking daughters. Titan daughters here and several were out of Shoshone bred cows had tight udder with small teats just not enough milk!. The Viking daughters had plenty of milk and the udders had the back Teats kind of shaped like your thumb and short. the JB Advantage daughters and female tribe have that same lower back two quarters. I am not saying a problem but if I could change I would! Viking is just a stout bull and I am planning on bring more of him back into my program! Shoshone Viking progeny have the disposition you have to love! Very docile! You could work with the cows without putting them in a holding chute if you try to get a calf going! Shoshone Viking does carry the ability to have twins!

FRANCHESTER OF WYE
I have an own daughter of Franchester! Franchester is a really neat bull and has made a great contribution to the breed. I would breed to something with a nice udder. He will ad libido and on right cows creates a maternal machine you can breed to about anything! He sired disposition progeny. Females here are moderate and very feminine! Franchester really worked well on the Rito 72 daughter!

The thing I remember the most is their mother D60!

what expert ignorance...but why complain if you never paid for them???? Larry had 17 Franchester daughters; only one was ever worth a damn...well chronicled in Reflections
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PostSubject: Re: did you know???   Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:12 pm

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quite a feature in Golf Digest...hauntingly beautiful pictures...courses are open from May to September...but...24 hours a day...Megan, how many daylight hours do you have in summer?

Probably not much different to most of the US - sun up at 5.30 - 6is am- darkish at 9ish at height of summer. 40 deg South is about 25 minutes north from us so we have same sun exposure times as 40 deg North where-ever that maybe in US - a town at the bottom of the South Island has very drawn out summer evenings - I don't think it gets dark down there till 10 - 11 pm mid summer. With brutal UV exposure sometimes we are very happy to see the sun go down - the ozone hole over NZ area has apparently repaired itself to a degree but lack of air pollution means that there is very little to dilute those rays - our best friend in summer is sunscreen. SPF 50 specially made for NZ'ers according to the Cancer Society label.
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PostSubject: Re: did you know???   Thu Feb 19, 2015 8:59 am

this dude has gotta be good...triple registered cheers

http://lexington.craigslist.org/grd/4897897247.html

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PostSubject: Re: did you know???   Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:10 am

ABS Global to Acquire 51% in Vitro Brazil
USAgNet - 02/19/2015

ABS Global, Inc. announced it has signed an agreement for the acquisition of 51% of In Vitro Brasil S.A. IVB is a leading biotechnology company focused on the production of bovine embryos through in-vitro fertilization.

IVB is based in Brazil and operates in 13 countries, including the United States, Colombia, and Uruguay. This transaction strengthens ABS's global leadership in the development and delivery of differentiated bovine genetics through the introduction of IVF technology. With ABS's support and established global presence, IVB will be well-positioned to meet the growing demand for IVF in the dairy and beef industries-enabling farmers to accelerate genetic improvement in their herds.

"This partnership allows us to offer our customers a comprehensive genetic solution with real world economic benefits," said Saskia Korink, ABS Chief Operating Officer.

"The acquisition of IVB provides ABS with a significant opportunity to accelerate the rate of genetic improvement we are able to offer our customers," said Karim Bitar, Genus Chief Executive Officer.

IVB was established in 2002 by José Henrique F. Pontes, currently CEO of IVB, to meet the need for bovine IVF technology from commercial dairy and beef producers in Brazil. Today, IVB is the primary commercial provider of bovine IVF embryos with a leading presence in Brazil, the globe's largest bovine IVF market, and a growing presence in other Latin American countries and the United States.

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PostSubject: Re: did you know???   Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:53 am

"enabling farmers to accelerate genetic improvement in their herds."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wujVMIYzYXg

Improvement was, at one time, the lifetime consuming job of perfecting, as much as is possible to perfect, a type to perform a function. Even if that function was just to fill a visually pleasing role. Next came the task to fix that type so that it is consistently replicable. Prepotency. Reliability. The ability to pass it on.

Then the definition changed. It moved on to the more simple Change = improvement, even though the desired change of the day is often replaced with another whim within the lifetime of the selected superior possessors of that trait. Improvement is often redefined faster than the generation interval of the animal. If this is the case, wouldn't the visionary marketer want to remain as unselected as possible to be ready for the next trend? Or, is the tail now wagging the dog and these technologies will control the trends to fit what they can market for you to use?

From the outside looking in, I see the same big, over conditioned, fat cattle that grace the history books from over 100 years ago. Could it be that the current cattle really do put the Aberdeen back into Angus?



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PostSubject: Re: did you know???   Thu Feb 19, 2015 8:57 pm

the early memorable quote from LL was something like...

motion, commotion, and promotion...always changing what we have the most of into what we have least of, until the least has become the most, then changing again into what was the original most...



I`ll add, the early performance paradigm made it possible to record the change with numbers...computers allowed the change to be measured in genetic terms with epds...
no one has yet to measure commercial profitability change although the Angus Journal`s of the world, record and promote the profitability of the registered con game...
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PostSubject: Re: did you know???   Fri Feb 20, 2015 7:59 am

I don`t know Tiechert, but I sure like reading someone I can agree with for a pleasant change...

http://beefmagazine.com/blog/5-keys-profitable-beef-cow-herd?page=2
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PostSubject: Re: did you know???   Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:26 am

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I don`t know Tiechert, but I sure like reading someone I can agree with for a pleasant change...

http://beefmagazine.com/blog/5-keys-profitable-beef-cow-herd?page=2

Burke Teichert, a consultant on strategic planning for ranches, retired in 2010 as vice president and general manager of AgReserves, Inc. He resides in Orem, UT. Contact him at burketei@comcast.net.

Wisdom doesn't always come with age. But age always comes with experience.
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PostSubject: Re: did you know???   Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:00 am

calls himself a "systems" guy...how refreshing compared to the registered jargon of one kind doing all things best...and why can`t we learn what baggage comes with type...quit talking about 707 and fo203 as some scared pedigreed individual of the past and come to understand the reason their daughters can`t calve as heifers is because of their type, change the names and keep the type and those can`t calve either...
notice Teichert`s comment about being careful with muscle...muscle is a terminal trait...sowman wanted a clear differentiation between terminal and maternal; might that be, if the characteristic concerns eating quantity and quality, it`s terminal....maternal is for reproduction...
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PostSubject: Re: did you know???   Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:25 am

how many crosses can be made and a Shoshone still be a Shoshone? talk about prepotency; 2, 3, even 4 Question Question ... Shocked Shocked Shocked

why would a producer want a half Shoshone when the all in, total, prepotent package is readily available...and for less money???
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PostSubject: Re: did you know???   Sat Feb 21, 2015 10:42 am

did you know?
posted by aladah
Those heifers that are well cared for, not roughed thru, appear to be staying in the herd longer, reproducing better, and being more productive over their lifetime vs heifers raised rough, especially if I never take them down to fescue.

reading between the BS

what Aladah is really saying
"For me, the proof is daughters hold up 3-4 years, and then go down the rail. How you live and die on ratios.
When you don't take them all the way--that is even worse mess.
The stuff left here no one else wanted to buy."

Larkota I'm sorry but why are lies easier to believe then the truth?
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PostSubject: Re: did you know???   Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:01 am

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I don`t know Tiechert, but I sure like reading someone I can agree with for a pleasant change...

http://beefmagazine.com/blog/5-keys-profitable-beef-cow-herd?page=2

Common sense is usually quite easy to agree with.

It is oh so simple but oh so difficult for so many to follow - which takes me to agreement with Larkota - lies are usually more deftly delivered and lay claim to bolder statements, than the truth which is often simple and usually neither glamorous or fashionable - hence less easy to believe for the masses - especially if it contravenes all the glamour and smooth delivery of the aforementioned bullsh!te
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PostSubject: Re: did you know???   Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:13 am

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Angus is a deep enough breed that there are all types of cattle within it.

Angus isn`t a breed; it is a registry...
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PostSubject: Re: did you know???   Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:11 pm

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Angus is a deep enough breed that there are all types of cattle within it.

Angus isn`t a breed; it is a registry...

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Maybe we can discuss how some cattlemen might have come to the conclusion that Angus are only good as a terminal breed.

Angus isn`t a breed; it is a registry...a breed would not need epds...a breed would not need pedigrees...
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PostSubject: Re: did you know???   Sun Feb 22, 2015 1:51 pm

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Angus is a deep enough breed that there are all types of cattle within it.

Angus isn`t a breed; it is a registry...

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Maybe we can discuss how some cattlemen might have come to the conclusion that Angus are only good as a terminal breed.

Angus isn`t a breed; it is a registry...a breed would not need epds...a breed would not need pedigrees...

It is the EPD's (EBV's) and some heavily used pedigrees which have created the "perception" which has formed the conclusion that Angus are only as good as a terminal breed in some quarters and perhaps some EPD's (EBV's) and some pedigrees REALLY are only good as terminal ....................... if they are actually good for anything at all that is ..................... most will already be aware of our opinion on CAFD and 036 Evil or Very Mad et al to know that it a rhetorical question Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: did you know???   Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:37 pm

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10% is where the magic starts to happen.

they bitch about epds...then use the same principle of a theoretical average applied as if personal to the particular individual...
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PostSubject: Re: did you know???   Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:05 pm

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Angus is a deep enough breed that there are all types of cattle within it.

Angus isn`t a breed; it is a registry...

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Maybe we can discuss how some cattlemen might have come to the conclusion that Angus are only good as a terminal breed.

Angus isn`t a breed; it is a registry...a breed would not need epds...a breed would not need pedigrees...


ANGUS MEANS BUSINESS
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PostSubject: Re: did you know???   Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:38 am

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We have decided to get the bull collected; nothing like a little insurance in the tank.

the registered way of saying we have semen for sale?...but who needs semen on what the owner believes can`t renew itself?...consistently Exclamation ...admittedly, most hobbyist have never given consistent renewal the first thought; all they ever read in promotion mags is how everything is being improved...
if you don`t know how or why an individual exists; you can`t renew it, and instead of breeding, are depending on luck and sorting the results...and there`s old vet, studying the pathfinders as the models...the 2  cream cows that were produced randomly from 100...base your breeding decisions round that theory, and the next 100 cows might produce 3 pathfinders...wow...progress Shocked Shocked Shocked
I`m more concerned with what percentage I had to cull for problems...culling is a cost random pathfinders can never overcome...
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PostSubject: Re: did you know???   Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:40 pm

You must be Secret Agent 707 checking in over on the other site!
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PostSubject: Re: did you know???   Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:59 pm

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You must be Secret Agent 707 checking in over on the other site!

a daily reminder of how dumb I have been ...there`s hardly anything there that most haven`t experienced in their learning process; problem is those that can`t learn...ever...or maybe they have; and after investing a lifetime in the con, would be a tough admission late in life...
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PostSubject: Re: did you know???   Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:23 pm

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Don't care if you like their cattle or not they are doing something right to have that kind of a sale. Top seller in my opinion is sired by one of the better sires I have used at SAV Pioneer.

My guess is Herbster will make all their money back and more on that bull.


why yes, he may very well make his money back; but don`t confuse that fact  as being anything to do with the cattle breeding business...

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