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PostSubject: Re: 2015 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:10 pm

put weaning off until it warms up; 52 for a high Friday...but my heart was warmed by this email note...

87 head of heifers and 3 year olds. Only 1 was open. Thanks for wasting my
time. The vets time. Dammit I was looking for a little spending money.

cheers
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PostSubject: Re: 2015 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:38 pm

Selfies  Smile of selection results  cheers



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PostSubject: Re: 2015 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:29 pm

interesting call tonight from past and nearly forgotten sale and visit ; ego boosting to say the least...sometimes it takes a few years for truth to overcome bs...
I will be calling you tomorrow with a report, Briann...with your Wulf business, and more tru-x bull potential on the route through Iowa; it might be time to think bigger trailer Smile
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PostSubject: Re: 2015 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:45 am

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interesting call tonight from past and nearly forgotten sale and visit ; ego boosting to say the least...sometimes it takes a few years for truth to overcome bs...
I will be calling you tomorrow with a report, Briann...with your Wulf business, and more tru-x bull potential on the route through Iowa; it might be time to think bigger trailer Smile
They say it takes about seven years for most registered new breeders to bite the dust in the registered process; it takes about the same time to appreciate the value of closer bred, maternal bulls...I have to make a bid on all Joe`s PETE/REPETE heifers; I cut all the bulls; too little to be merchandisable ...  but I`m sure excited to buy these heifers for future genetic use...confusing? sometimes it is to me as well  Smile pictures would write a 1000 words so I`ll wait for a photograph opportunity before I say more...

Paranoia runs deep in the AAA...with a record of 132 years of "purity", why fear registered "derivatives"? Could it be that the AAA "derivative" can show no advantage over the crossbred"derivative" and the money invested in a paper pyrimiad could go up in flames? how is commercial beef production enhanced by breed competition rather than breed complimentarity ? breed associations continue to be one of the most negative influences on beef production. There is a better way...
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PostSubject: Re: 2015 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:17 am

MKeeney wrote:
MKeeney wrote:
interesting call tonight from past and nearly forgotten sale and visit ; ego boosting to say the least...sometimes it takes a few years for truth to overcome bs...
I will be calling you tomorrow with a report, Briann...with your Wulf business, and more tru-x bull potential on the route through Iowa; it might be time to think bigger trailer Smile
They say it takes about seven years for most registered new breeders to bite the dust in the registered process; it takes about the same time to appreciate the value of closer bred, maternal bulls...I have to make a bid on all Joe`s PETE/REPETE heifers; I cut all the bulls; too little to be merchandisable ...  but I`m sure excited to buy these heifers for future genetic use...confusing? sometimes it is to me as well  Smile pictures would write a 1000 words so I`ll wait for a photograph opportunity before I say more...

Paranoia runs deep in the AAA...with a record of 132 years of "purity", why fear registered "derivatives"? Could it be that the AAA "derivative" can show no advantage over the crossbred"derivative" and the money invested in a paper pyrimiad could go up in flames? how is commercial beef production enhanced by breed competition rather than breed complimentarity ? breed associations continue to be one of the most negative influences on beef production. There is a better way...
The only advantage to cross, plus, ultra or whatever the breeders are marketing now is to quickly repair and cover/recover those 7+ years of breeding mistakes, trusting the wrong sources, discovering that they are breeding problem "purebreds" and dreaming an expensive and broken mainstream dream. One dose of hybrid vigor is the magic eraser. No other reason to explain why registered Angus breeders by the scads are selling a crossed animal or want a crossed animal unless the purebred is not doing what it is supposed to do and be the greatest as CAB. Everybody knows the issues with using crossed bulls but they want them because they NEED them! Maybe purebred breeders who do not think for themselves need one of those weaning rings inserted, too.
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PostSubject: Re: 2015 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:13 pm

What is the difference? How many have actually used anything with any semblance of purity beyond color and horned or polled heads? Preconceptions prevail. Claims of knowing the best and worst even though their best predictions have a high failure rate continue. The wheel keeps going round and round. The same leaders that caused todays problems are relied upon to solve those problems.

I look out and see the most appealing heifers I have ever raised and consider their herd mates unmarketable as bulls. That is my preconception based on tradition. Something I must remedy. Still the victim of my education, and not a good enough educator to sell the product. The result of using the "worst" bulls in their calf crop. Actually the purest form resulting from concentrating my favorite cows.

The best looking bull yearling bull in any of the sale catalogs is supposed to be a maternal masterpiece too. Compared to what? If the good maternal ones are cut based on appearance, what competition is left?

Common Core is not just a problem in schools. The common core practice of claiming superior parents based on using the most spectacular end product model as seed stock only works when real seed stock are culled due to appearance and the model of numerical selection only accelerated selection of end product assuming that they are also the best parents. They are too deep now to admit mistakes. I am too far removed to care. I get to watch these beautiful creatures doing what they were bred to do for the next 10-15 years.
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PostSubject: Re: 2015 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:38 am

when the bs dream weavers dare declare themselves as out of the box thinkers, all promotional ground has been occupied...the only rarity position left is truth, the only customer base left is those who can discern the difference between promised dreams and genetic reality...I wouldn`t want to be running for office with truth my base; so a kingdom of one is a logical outcome...
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PostSubject: Re: 2015 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Mon Dec 07, 2015 8:35 pm

MKeeney wrote:
got another cheers



naming this one...KA Fairy Tale  his story reads too much like Baby Bear`s soup; just right; we know the soup tasted good, but did it digest well? Smile ...we`ll see a maternal brother in Mo next year; a half sib mating...sire of this calf is quite the ordinary specimen, though Tom  said he really was a pretty ok kind of bull...Tom, like me, may not know, but he matters...Smile  

ps...Tom as not in Burke Smile

OH GEE...I`ve registered this cow ; no, branded her by naming her...KA Miss Promiscuity...gesssshhhh, a political correct moment here...MS Promiscuity? Certainly not Mrs Promiscuity?

here she calves January 28, 2015...weans the calf above Oct...down there today; first time in a week to check on stockpile , and here she is calved again...



no clue who`s his daddy; don`t care so long he`s one of mine...but of course, she`s just another carrot...more later
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PostSubject: Re: 2015 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Thu Dec 24, 2015 1:44 am

sorted bull calves today... 63 hd survived the first cut...

















good corn silage with 4 lb distillers/day...should peak May 1...repeat buyers can choose beginning March 15...newbies April 1...
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PostSubject: Re: 2015 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Thu Dec 24, 2015 7:59 am

Since you won`t be paying for any of this "pay to play" {thx Briann cheers }

membership fees       $1,498,880
registration fees         $4,270,181
ai certs                      $1,498,530
transfers                       $979,155
performance programs $1,099,460
dna services                $7,515,628

the cost savings of tru-line breeding will be passed on to the consumer...the price structure has been increased a quarter point {yes, I could do Yellen`s job  Very Happy }...April live cattle {currently 1.35 x 1750=approx. 2350 ...subject to change based on market fluctuations }...there will be some of these bulls made available in West Plains MO area to facilitate selection and transportation to a broader geographical area...I think we need 15 to 18 yearlings to use here; then sell after use in the fall as 18 month to coming 2`s etc...last year`s used bulls have all been allocated...
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PostSubject: Re: 2015 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Thu Dec 24, 2015 8:02 am

Mike nice calves true line Shoshone influence must be hard to reproduce. ha ha
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PostSubject: Re: 2015 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Thu Dec 24, 2015 8:30 pm

The greatest thing about this NEW android phone is without question the camera...there is always a picture opportunity
just a snap away; below is a proven calving ease bull I hold in high esteem and will  probably breed cows as well someday;
extraordinary feet; dam the best Shoshone cow from Larry; she now resides at Jon`s and Kendra`s...sorry you can`t
see feet, or a Burkish type photo; even though the camera is ready, often the sun; and the subject`s beauty and pose is
not perfect and even with editing still is lacking...



BUT THEN...





ON RARE OCCASIONS...


EVERYTHING  IS PERFECT AND BEAUTIFUL... Very Happy



and that makes for a very Merry Christmas to ALL cheers
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PostSubject: Re: 2015 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Fri Dec 25, 2015 7:46 am

It don`t look a lot like Christmas...


and boy am I glad Very Happy
not every field is a rose garden...


8 inches of rain the last month; a 100 head of cattle for a week and the wheat would be the same as above...

I hate wearing wet socks...these boys take it all in stride





the clover is actually growing a little...


contrary to tradition, to find four leaf clovers, you gotta look for them...


some say the first leaf is for faith, the second is for hope, the third is for love, and the fourth is for luck
I believe employ the first three, and the fourth is a state of mind...Merry Christmas santa
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PostSubject: Re: 2015 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Fri Dec 25, 2015 11:17 am

Merry Christmas to all!

Mike,
I think these temps are Mother Nature's welfare checks and I will gladly accept it. We sure don't need all the extra water to go with it though that is for certain.
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PostSubject: Re: 2015 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Fri Dec 25, 2015 1:37 pm

Mike that feed looks fantastic as do the cattle. Do not worry about Mother Nature she is just about averages just remember what you have to look forward to. Pam and I wish you and all the folks here at Keeny's corner a very Merry Christmas.
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PostSubject: Re: 2015 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Sat Dec 26, 2015 8:19 pm

I`ve been so busy with the pic posting I forget where they are...so a repeat of this proven calving ease sire...



sure I want more than calving ease...I want to duplicate his little {1250 plus in this condition} mother who posed today...



they don`t have to look like an occ or sav  to get in body condition...but it`s best to be a Bonsma type if you want
them to get bred...
but there`s more to think about...paraphrasing a favorite quote from Larry ...you have to be able to look at the egg {the cow}
and see the eagle {the char calf at side)
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PostSubject: Re: 2015 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Sun Dec 27, 2015 3:29 am

MKeeney wrote:
Since you won`t be paying for any of this "pay to play" {thx Briann cheers }

membership fees       $1,498,880
registration fees         $4,270,181
ai certs                      $1,498,530
transfers                       $979,155
performance programs $1,099,460
dna services                $7,515,628

the cost savings of tru-line breeding will be passed on to the consumer...the price structure has been increased a quarter point {yes, I could do Yellen`s job  Very Happy }...April live cattle {currently 1.35 x 1750=approx. 2350 ...subject to change based on market fluctuations }...there will be some of these bulls made available in West Plains MO area to facilitate selection and transportation to a broader geographical area...I think we need 15 to 18 yearlings to use here; then sell after use in the fall as 18 month to coming 2`s etc...last year`s used bulls have all been allocated...

what was the total advertising amount spent last year in just the Angus Journal? the commercial producer must pay for this as well...
of course, many  breeders don`t get their expenses passed on to the commercial producer; most are on the seven year in and out  plan...
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PostSubject: Re: 2015 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Sun Dec 27, 2015 8:26 am

membership fees       $1,498,880
registration fees         $4,270,181
ai certs                      $1,498,530
transfers                       $979,155
performance programs $1,099,460
dna services                $7,515,628


not sure is this bragging or admitting members have been had  scratch

what bothers me the most is at one time I was proud to be a member,  was proud my father started in 1962 with registered cattle and passed it on to me.  I even transferred Larkota Angus cattle to Larson Bros. a life time membership ....only to find out today a cup of coffee at Al's Oasis is worth more.  We still have our delicious 5¢ coffee, which always comes with a free smile.
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PostSubject: Re: 2015 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Sun Dec 27, 2015 10:38 am

Mike, Is this the bull that was here? he looks good! really like the calf's from him, Looks like #46 on the tag. that's the one that was here.




MKeeney wrote:
The greatest thing about this NEW android phone is without question the camera...there is always a picture opportunity
just a snap away; below is a proven calving ease bull I hold in high esteem and will  probably breed cows as well someday;
extraordinary feet; dam the best Shoshone cow from Larry; she now resides at Jon`s and Kendra`s...sorry you can`t
see feet, or a Burkish type photo; even though the camera is ready, often the sun; and the subject`s beauty and pose is
not perfect and even with editing still is lacking...



BUT THEN...





ON RARE OCCASIONS...


EVERYTHING  IS PERFECT AND BEAUTIFUL... Very Happy



and that makes for a very Merry Christmas to ALL cheers

What a beautiful young Lady!
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PostSubject: Re: 2015 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Sun Dec 27, 2015 10:49 am

what bothers me the most is at one time I was proud to be a member, was proud my father started in 1962 with registered cattle and passed it on to me. I even transferred Larkota Angus cattle to Larson Bros. a life time membership ....only to find out today a cup of coffee at Al's Oasis is worth more. We still have our delicious wrote:


First registered angus cattle on the farm 1957. Still have a few papered cows walking around but the papers had might as well be toilet paper.
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PostSubject: Re: 2015 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Sun Dec 27, 2015 11:49 am

MKeeney wrote:
MKeeney wrote:
Since you won`t be paying for any of this "pay to play" {thx Briann cheers }

membership fees       $1,498,880
registration fees         $4,270,181
ai certs                      $1,498,530
transfers                       $979,155
performance programs $1,099,460
dna services                $7,515,628

the cost savings of tru-line breeding will be passed on to the consumer...the price structure has been increased a quarter point {yes, I could do Yellen`s job  Very Happy }...April live cattle {currently 1.35 x 1750=approx. 2350 ...subject to change based on market fluctuations }...there will be some of these bulls made available in West Plains MO area to facilitate selection and transportation to a broader geographical area...I think we need 15 to 18 yearlings to use here; then sell after use in the fall as 18 month to coming 2`s etc...last year`s used bulls have all been allocated...

what was the total advertising amount spent last year in just the Angus Journal? the commercial producer must pay for this as well...
of course, many  breeders don`t get their expenses passed on to the commercial producer; most are on the seven year in and out  plan...

WHEN YOU SPEND TOO DAM MUCH ON REGISTURD PARAPHERNALIA ONE MUST KEEP ADVERTISING COST DOWN

hook them with the cheap bull, then gouge them with a better, higher priced, use another breeders name, must be in the top % for anything.  so easy don't know why I quite.


Yearling Angus Bulls For Sale - $2500
http://sd.craigslist.org/grd/5375903610.htmL

We have 4 yearling Angus Bulls for sale. All 4 of the bulls are low birth weight, high calving ease bulls! Two of the bulls are directly out of the Schiefelbein Angus herd in Kimball, MN. The other two bulls are out of our Bismarck X Objective herd sire.

SC C Total Upward (https://youtu.be/E6T0cV4pjhM)
Schiefelbein Blood Lines
AAA # 18127016
Top 1%: $ Weaned; Top 5%: Calving Ease Direct, Calving Ease Maternal; Top 10%: Birth Weight, Weaning Weight
$4500 OBO

SC C Prince (https://youtu.be/qiKIqWe9Tv0)
Schiefelbein Blood Lines
AAA # 18127017
Top 1%: Scrotal Circumference; Top 10%: Calving Ease Direct; Top 25%: Birth Weight, Calving Ease Maternal, $ Energy Savings; Top 40%: $Beef
$4000 OBO

SC C Inceptive (https://youtu.be/phJijqBYcAc)
Bismarck X Objective
AAA # 18163323
Top 5%: Calving Ease Direct, $Weaned; Top 10%: Birth Weight, Calving Ease Maternal; Top 30%: Weaning Weight, $ Energy Savings
$3500 OBO

SC C Net Objective (https://youtu.be/tCYtuxQxNFA)
Bismarck X Objective
AAA # 18123838
Top 10%: Calving Ease Direct, Calving Ease Maternal, $ Energy Savings; Top 40%: Birth Weight, $ Weaned
$2500 OBO
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PostSubject: Re: 2015 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Sun Dec 27, 2015 12:29 pm

Without knowing any better, how would they know? Everyone does it an no one calls them out. ('cept here) Many pay a high price to use the name and the name gets free advertising. Many big bull suppliers will even get you USDA tags with their name to put on your cattle. Not real traditional to put the Government and bull suppliers name on your cattle, but I guess that is what happens when traditional thinking is thrown out for progressivism. Satellite Auctions sell under the name of the bull supplier. Belong to something you believe is bigger than you are or can be. Bandwagon tribalism. Everyone is welcome to a taste, but it ain't free.

It used to be you were proud of your name and would protect your reputation. I guess people also used to have their own bloodlines. Now most have never even seen a representative of a bloodline. The door has been opened to crossbred bulls once again because of the heterozygotic condition of the supposed purebreds and the limitations that come with it. "Reputation cattle" is still used, but the meaning has changed. Systems are claimed, but the components necessary are too difficult to create and don't fit the criteria deemed indicative of quality. We all use specialized equipment, yet want a cow to do it all. Like an all terrain aquatic vehicle. They are available, but they are expensive and their limitations keep them from being widely used. You have to give up something to have it all. Once specialization is understood, efficiency can be pursued.

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PostSubject: Re: 2015 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:52 am



Kent wrote:
We all use specialized equipment, yet want a cow to do it all. Like an all terrain aquatic vehicle. They are available, but they are expensive and their limitations keep them from being widely used. You have to give up something to have it all



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PostSubject: Re: 2015 Keeney Angus Bull Sale   Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:46 pm

another brief interlude from cattle stuff to publicly  thank Travis,
for your acknowledgement below...

ON RARE OCCASIONS...

EVERYTHING  IS PERFECT AND BEAUTIFUL... Very Happy



What a beautiful young Lady!


play this in the background as you  king  discuss this Motown afro  outing with Shirley   queen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzDVaKRApcg

or just read her the words ...

Now once, I was down hearted
Disappointment, was my closest friend
But then you, came and it soon departed
And you know he never
Showed his face again

I'm so glad, I've finally found you
Yes that one, in a million girls
And I whip, my loving arms around you
I can stand up, and face the world

Let me tell ya, your love (your love keeps lifting me)
Keep on lifting (love keeps lifting me)
Higher (lifting me)
Higher and higher (higher)
I said your love (your love keeps lifting me)
Keep on (love keeps lifting me)
Lifting me (lifting me)
Higher and higher (higher)

on April 16 we can celebrate the musical...and having our taxes paid once again cheers  cheers
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