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PostSubject: Re: Fat Boy ????   Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:09 pm

Like to think so - they are sometimes as destructive.

Love that ad - Kiwi classic - Toyota have become fixated on road kill and possums with their latest ads ..................... we have Mitsubishi's ourselves.

That line ............... "outta the way sheep shagger" - was heard around school playgrounds for years after that ad was aired .................
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PostSubject: Re: Fat Boy ????   Sun Apr 17, 2016 3:46 pm

Well all the phoning of last years bull buyers complete - we ring everyone who bought a bull every year and sometimes if someone has mentioned in passing that they not 100% happy on the year before's bull we phone them for an update too ...................... 100% satisfied clients, even the fellow with a longer back toed bull - he is forgiving him as the bull got tangled in wire severely injuring the leg and changing his gait - the bull is completely ruined through the injury (not the foot - waiting to hear which of the two bulls bought it was for our own breeding info) and will be an insurance job - good reason to take out 12 months cover right there - very happy about that!! All the bulls performed, all have grown out to buyers expectations, all are well behaved and most importantly .. all have done the job cheers .
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PostSubject: Re: Fat Boy ????   Sun Apr 17, 2016 6:34 pm

cheers I've always been a terrible at merchandising ...commercial producers making money in NZ currently Megan?
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PostSubject: Re: Fat Boy ????   Sun Apr 17, 2016 9:30 pm

Huge money - small weaners selling for over $900 a head - unseen in NZ before. Long may it continue lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Fat Boy ????   Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:55 am

https://fb-s-b-a.akamaihd.net/h-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-0/q82/p235x350/15338883_1036001209843256_3273977788815012340_n.jpg?oh=90d5353bf7931a76908551c001057d51&oe=58EA1133&__gda__=1492613050_9ed0aa0c8cd7b511ed91144d3d110fa1

Fat Boy is out with the cows again this year - he is 10 now.  We have had a few issues with our bull team again this year but not Fat Boy - wham bam thank you mam is his outlook on life.
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PostSubject: Re: Fat Boy ????   Wed Dec 14, 2016 6:16 pm

pukerimu wrote:
https://fb-s-b-a.akamaihd.net/h-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-0/q82/p235x350/15338883_1036001209843256_3273977788815012340_n.jpg?oh=90d5353bf7931a76908551c001057d51&oe=58EA1133&__gda__=1492613050_9ed0aa0c8cd7b511ed91144d3d110fa1

Fat Boy is out with the cows again this year - he is 10 now.  We have had a few issues with our bull team again this year but not Fat Boy - wham bam thank you mam is his outlook on life.

nice pic Megan...how are commercial 500wts steer prices compared to spring?
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PostSubject: Re: Fat Boy ????   Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:40 pm

The cattle are selling well still in NZ - good steers liveweight would average $3 - $3.50 per kilo. Dead weight (on carcase weight only) would average $5 - $5.50 per kilo. On top of that are premiums for hitting the EQ (Eating Quality standard) and for Angus (I think Hereford have a programme with the works too but we do not like to talk about that Twisted Evil )
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PostSubject: Re: Fat Boy ????   Fri May 05, 2017 5:40 pm

Interesting tid bit - a breeder from down the road from us - has taken over from his Father in Law, an ardent fan of US mainstream genetics - has been going almost annually on a bull viewing semen buying trip with several cronies has recently bought some of the semen from the Gisborne bred bull sired by a son of Fat Boy - apparently he is sick of having to give back so much money as refunds and so is giving the complete antithesis of "all that is good" a try in a hope of putting some longevity into both his and the cattle he sells - will be an interesting exercise (which of course we will be watching Twisted Evil )
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PostSubject: Re: Fat Boy ????   Fri May 26, 2017 6:07 pm

Interesting times ahead I think - we appear to have fallen somewhat by default into the "mainstream" and there are several people who thought we were akin to the antichrist in our rhetoric against the way EBV's reflected our cattle who have given the $100k bull a go and are somewhat agog at the weaners - seemingly when you put a bull from a 50 year consistently bred stud over a cow from another 50 or more consistently bred cow lines the resulting bull will amazingly enough replicate himself consistently (regardless of what the numbers on the page might say about him) ..................... who would ever have thought? ................duh? Interest from some interesting quarters in our upcoming sale - not getting to excited - final fall of the final hammer is actually what it is all about!

Before you go lecturing me Mike on EPD's and their value blah blah blah - I do believe that in most cases the numbers do almost reflect our cattle (apart from growth but when some of our older cows for unfathomable reasons have a growth which is a 1/3rd of the average what do you expect? - according to the "experts" we should have got rid of them for genetic turnover ...... yeah right!!) - it is simply that there has been so much utter crap (all with US mainstream worst offender prefixes) coming into NZ, skewing the averages and generally nullifying any worth that our Breedplan system may have had for measuring actual real life performance in NZ by unpolluted NZ cattle. For our cattle's ebv's to catch up we will either have to use the worst of the worst (kill me now Twisted Evil ) or breed paddock after paddock full of outliers (or employ a magic pencil) as otherwise the average will not move and they will be forever be consigned to the "also rans" by Breedplan - luckily enough the tide appears to be turning in the commercial world at least after 10 - 15 years of being continually told (lectured, berated) "it is not what you can see that counts ... rely on the numbers!" for the average commercial cattlemen to find that not only do they actually hate what they are looking at, they are finding the results in the breeding paddocks, sale yards and on the hook no better if not much worse than their neighbours calm, quiet, meaty and good looking cattle where they have stuck to their knitting and relied on the 50 + years of consistency from studs like ourselves to provide their seedstock.
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PostSubject: Re: Fat Boy ????   Fri May 26, 2017 8:28 pm

value of epds? I don't even see any value in registration papers Smile except the artificial value...100,000$ bulls have damn little to do with putting quality meat on the consumers plate cheaper...just a game frozen in tradition...I bet there isn't a $1000 genetic difference between the best and worse bull you offer for sale...
I can understand the Kiwi attempt to use marbling genetics, the reputation of NZ and Aussie beef here was always for the grind...someone probably wanted to sell steak; but you can`t expect to run marblers as cows very efficiently...
or can we? only Bob Howard can provide the answers July 28, 29 Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Fat Boy ????   Sat May 27, 2017 12:02 am

Not really relevant here but certainly not worthy of it's own post. Raising the bar on show ring prowess with a claim of 3 centuries of champions.

http://www.thescottishfarmer.co.uk/business_sales/15298916.End_of_an_era_for_Bute_dairy_farmer/
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PostSubject: Re: Fat Boy ????   Sat May 27, 2017 12:52 am

The grinding beef of which you speak is dairy bull beef - in true Kiwi kick it in the guts Trev mentality our meat exporters deemed our quota to the US should not be filled with prime naturally marbled (it is the attempts to chase those cursed EBV's that is causing an absence of it in NZ Angus - the traditional NZ / Scottish angus beef always had a high degree of marbling - the last decade of chasing crap has resulted in it not being readily available for many) table beef but a stinking black and white by product of the nation's waning love affair with all things dairy - ridiculously and almost unbelievably bull beef farmers were receiving more per kilo of dairy bull beef than prime steer or heifers were fetching - hence a nationwide destruction of the breeding cow herd - happily the tables are now turning and with ewe numbers also being decimated the humble underrated and totally taken for granted beef cow is making a come back. Not before time!

On another note - imagine your claim to fame being that you have been breeding cattle for 3 centuries much less winning competitions with them over the same time period - amazing!
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PostSubject: Re: Fat Boy ????   Sat May 27, 2017 3:50 am

The old Scotch Angus marbling came with an inch of backfat...hardly the proper animal here to feed a crib of corn too...the big,fat SAV stuff will be next to NZ as it obviously is in SA...the registered con business always needs difference...instead of motion, promotion, and commotion as LL stated...concoction, collusion, confusion...forget all the jealous bs and whining  , no better evidence that terminal  epds work than the thousands of cattle here that are 200 lbs bigger at slaughter, smaller at birth, better marbled, and leaner than the Scotch ancestry...all terminal traits, there are no epds for cow profitabilty...
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PostSubject: Re: Fat Boy ????   Sat May 27, 2017 8:33 am

pukerimu wrote:
Interesting times ahead I think - we appear to have fallen somewhat by default into the "mainstream" and there are several people who thought we were akin to the antichrist in our rhetoric against the way EBV's reflected our cattle who have given the $100k bull a go and are somewhat agog at the weaners - seemingly when you put a bull from a 50 year consistently bred stud over a cow from another 50 or more consistently bred cow lines the resulting bull will amazingly enough replicate himself consistently (regardless of what the numbers on the page might say about him) ..................... who would ever have thought? ................duh?  Interest from some interesting quarters in our upcoming sale - not getting to excited - final fall of the final hammer is actually what it is all about!

Before you go lecturing me Mike on EPD's and their value blah blah blah - I do believe that in most cases the numbers do almost reflect our cattle (apart from growth but when some of our older cows for unfathomable reasons have a growth which is a 1/3rd of the average what do you expect? - according to the "experts" we should have got rid of them for genetic turnover ...... yeah right!!) - it is simply that there has been so much utter crap (all with US mainstream worst offender prefixes) coming into NZ, skewing the averages and generally nullifying any worth that our Breedplan system may have had for measuring actual real life performance in NZ by unpolluted NZ cattle.  For our cattle's ebv's to catch up we will either have to use the worst of the worst (kill me now Twisted Evil ) or breed paddock after paddock full of outliers (or employ a magic pencil) as otherwise the average will not move and they will be forever be consigned to the "also rans" by Breedplan - luckily enough the tide appears to be turning in the commercial world at least after 10 - 15 years of being continually told (lectured, berated) "it is not what you can see that counts ... rely on the numbers!" for the average commercial cattlemen to find that not only do they actually hate what they are looking at, they are finding the results in the breeding paddocks, sale yards and on the hook no better if not much worse than their neighbours calm, quiet, meaty and good looking cattle where they have stuck to their knitting and relied on the 50 + years of consistency from studs like ourselves to provide their seedstock.

who else, when did you decide a higher epd was more profitable?
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PostSubject: Re: Fat Boy ????   Sat May 27, 2017 8:50 am

Two edged sword: EPDs from a broad population when matched at mating don't all hit the bulls-eye in a tight group. Those aggravating genes throw a monkey wrench in the gears every time when put in a bag, shook up and poured out. Tighten up a program through linebreeding and EPDs do not tie into the population-wide EPDs. You lose relevance by not being tied in tightly to the confusion. Live long enough and you realize that less than 10% of any trialed outside genetics work for "home cows". Crossbreeding and the sale of the entire calf crop as terminals is the easiest answer if the crossbreeding emphasizes terminal goals. Better make good use of home field advantage on base cow herd for genetics and and function for year in and year out profitability.

Or bump up overall potentials of all cattle on terminal traits and more growth requires more feed, more marbling requires more energy and more meat requires more protein. If you live in a fescue world it is great reading material.

Profit is in the net.
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PostSubject: Re: Fat Boy ????   Sat May 27, 2017 8:56 am

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PostSubject: Re: Fat Boy ????   Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:44 am

I notice from NZ sale averages that Megan has punched the clock and rang the bell for a $10,000 sale average...good to see independence rewarded
monetarily...as she understands, my independence reward is every time I don`t have to pay $3000 for a bull Smile but if I could get 10,000, I might spend 3100 Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Fat Boy ????   Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:23 pm

Why yes - thank you Mike - it appears as if at the current time we lead the pack of bull sellers this year. No fanfare, no videos of the bulls on line, no A4 glossy catalogue (envelope size is more than adequate and costs a 1/4 of the postage Twisted Evil ), virtually no promotion by our breed Association (the rep has been around all the "really important special" breeders sales but missed the top priced one - lol!) and absolutely no data!

Seemingly we have not been playing the game with the hype surrounding our Angus Pure Index and NEW initiatives (frankly because we can see both as a collusion of self interested promotion by the bloke who aims for top 5% for every carcase trait and the bloke that sells the semen to do such amazing feats - note that guy with top 5% for everything has virtually wiped any guarantees on his bulls ................) and therefore have been once again consigned to the "ignorant and uninformed flat earth brigade" not worthy of a sale day support tour by our breed manager. Lucky (if luck actually has anything to do with it) for us our loyal buying clientele view the world somewhat differently and accounted for 33 of the 42 bulls sold on Monday 12th June. Yes you read right - only 9 bulls were sold to new buyers - the rest to people who have been buying our bulls for several years. Top price went to the stud that bought Fat Boy's son Thor 660, off us in 2012, and second top price went to the second generation of a family who have been buying Mt Mable bulls since 1990.

We do not have buyers credits - ever - if a bull disappoints us all then we prefer to honour our 3 year guarantee with a cheque in the mail so that the disappointed buyer is not obliged to come back to us if they do not wish to do so. It is just the way we roll. Of course it is easy to be benign and generous when less than a handful of bulls have caused any problems for us or their new owners in the last 20 years.
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PostSubject: Re: Fat Boy ????   Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:03 am

The bulls looked great in the facebook pics...the 3 yr guarantee covers?
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PostSubject: Re: Fat Boy ????   Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:41 am

We guarantee our bulls feet and fertility, constitution and temperament for three years.  Most of our buyers take a 12 months insurance policy - if the bull falls over a bank or suffers an injury that is not our responsibility. If he shows ill thrift and a vet cannot say why, and there is no evidence of neglect by the buyer then that is on us.  If his feet grow and affect his function then that is on us also.  If he becomes snaky and hard to manage that is on us too - this has never happened so we happily guarantee that it won't.  Fertility issues will generally present themselves within the first mating period and unless a vet certifies it is an injury related problem then that is on us too.
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PostSubject: Re: Fat Boy ????   Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:29 am

10 bulls have now traveled 1600 miles...two with miles to go before they sleep...what is your most distant customer Megan ? My guarantee is in the price, though customers are prone to forget that fact...
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PostSubject: Re: Fat Boy ????   Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:02 pm

Our furthest bull goes to Kaikohe which is at the top of the North Island. About a 9 - 10 hour truck trip depending on traffic in Auckland (largest city in NZ through which anyone heading north of there has to go through). He is usually the last one to go as we have to wait for their local cartage company to bring lambs down so that he becomes a back load. No one from here wants to drive their truck up and back empty. We pay the cartage. Most of the bulls have gone already - just a load that we are organising to Wairoa / Gisborne and then the large Maori incorporation organises their own trucking so those bulls could go anytime in the next three weeks.

A good three year guarantee plus the fact that almost all of our buyers get 4 - 5 maybe more crops of calves from the bulls is one of the reasons that they sell so well and for an average cost of 10 weaners - which during the last weaner selling season was $1,000.
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PostSubject: Re: Fat Boy ????   Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:10 pm

Smallest cow number herds buying 10000 $ bulls?
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PostSubject: Re: Fat Boy ????   Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:16 pm

Looking at our sales list I don't think we sold to any entity that has less than 250 breeding cows. Lowest price was $5000 and highest was $19000 to the stud that bought the Fat Boy son and then proceeded to sell 7 bull from the first mating for a total of about $210,000 - they paid $12k for that bull ...............................

8 out of the 41 sold under the hammer for $7500 or less. It was the competition for the other 33 that put the average over $10k. We sold the two paddock bulls after the sale for $5000 each.
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PostSubject: Re: Fat Boy ????   Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:18 pm

Larry always wanted to look inside the genes to see the arrangement , I'm more interested in looking inside people's brains to see what they are thinking. ..not surprised that you sold to producers of that scope, I wonder what per cent of usa cow numbers is comprised of herds of 30 or less cows...a bunch imo
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