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Kent Powell



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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:23 am

The best customers seek what they need. The rest look for the best party.
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:07 am

And AAA just renews admission charge with every new registration, DNA test and Bull sale.
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:28 am

Mike - exactly right pronounceation. Well done!!
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:13 pm

Would advertising be marketing?
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:51 pm

Will wrote:
Would advertising be marketing?

your a smart guy Will, you tell us. so what is your point?  scratch 
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:54 pm

Will wrote:
Would advertising be marketing?

Is lying marketing ?
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:55 pm

I think it is but what do you think?
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:56 pm

Is everyone that markets a liar?
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:57 pm

Only those who lie.
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:58 pm

I agree!
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:26 pm

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Registration paper would tell me bloodlines and I would see if you are out crossing. Bloodlines are the ONLY thing a registration tells me.

OK, we'll make this easy:

Rito 2RT2
OCC Homer
Rito 6I6
Paramont Ambush
Tehama Bando 155
TC Stockman
Pine Drive Big Sky

Tell me which of these bulls will make cows that fit into my South Carolina piedmont environment either as sires or grandsires with the least fallout of daughters and the most resistance to fescue.

What does outcrossing of Angus bloodlines have to do between you and me, if I am doing it? Are you now the bloodline police?

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You must believe in heterosis because you claim to out cross?
No claim, just a "yes and no" answer. An answer, by the way, to your question.

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In your crossbreeding endeavor you said some were good and some were terrible. Do you consider terrible successful?
Take a look at Webster's definition for "terrible". Hint: after you finish eating and the wife is walking by with a 15" Lodge cast iron frying pan in her hand do you say, "Hunny-y-y, that meal was terrible"!

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Positive? You fooled me.
Or you fooled yourself.
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:19 am

Will wrote:
Hillbigtree,  Wink Thanks looking forward to it.  Are the American bulls Hoover Dam and Rito Revenue over there?  For carcass bulls they are my type.

Hoover Dam has made it into the country - there were 32 calves born 2012 to him and one registered so far for 2013 - I will keep an eye out for any progeny - one stud entity used him so they maybe advertising bulls by him for sale this year. The other Rito bull has not been used in NZ - if he has impressive carcase data he may have been brought into Australia - they are pretty potty about both EBV's and in particular carcase EBV's.

I overlooked saying that Pukerimu is the name of the farm
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:34 pm

pukerimu wrote:
Sorry Will - you have lost me - to whom are you referring "Rocketman"?

The little green men who got out of the UFO yelling "Hoover Dam" and "Hybrid Vigor".
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:28 pm

Rito Revenue also!
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:32 pm

I got to laugh. When I re-read my post it seems like I was talking to you Pukerimu. Rocketman is Mike Keeney's bull that no one wanted as a yearling so he used him and I guess he is siring outstanding cows!
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:37 pm

Will wrote:
I got to laugh. When I re-read my post it seems like I was talking to you Pukerimu.  Rocketman is Mike Keeney's bull that no one wanted as a yearling so he used him and I guess he is siring outstanding cows!

there`s no outstanding in stabilized Will...you need to learn the vocabulary of a breeder instead of that of a bs`er...instead of tapping in, I`m afraid you are about tapped out...
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:51 pm

Was Mrs. Donovan's first name Will?
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:13 pm

Will wrote:
I got to laugh. When I re-read my post it seems like I was talking to you Pukerimu.  Rocketman is Mike Keeney's bull that no one wanted as a yearling so he used him and I guess he is siring outstanding cows!



Will wrote:
I do not put much faith in second hand stories. Might be right, might not. Might be the way they were fed also. Its anyone's guess.

Will wrote:
I have never had a problem depending on other breeders. You have to sort but those breeders have always been available. I always tap that knowledge. That is one huge advantage I have had the past thirty years. I have been involved in several breeds and that increases the number of minds I have been able to tap! I really enjoy tapping minds. It's a money maker and Wagyu will be no different.

Will wrote:
Thanks but no thanks. I'm having way to much fun to be in a rush. No need to save time. I enjoy building things and once there built I lose interest and go looking for something new to build. No need for a good cross bull for any price either but thanks anyway.

Will seems you have a hard time making up your mind...or you just like to hear yourself talk.
Will you say "I do my homework!" or always one step behind. Jim Larson could at least stick to a plan.

Larkota thinking Will suffers from ADHD. lol!

When you are discontent, you always want more, more, more. Your desire can never be satisfied. But when you practice contentment, you can say to yourself, 'Oh yes - I already have everything that I really need.'
Dalai Lama

in case Will missed it the first time.

When you are discontent, you always want more, more, more. Your desire can never be satisfied. But when you practice contentment, you can say to yourself, 'Oh yes - I already have everything that I really need.'
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:33 pm

Sorry I forgot its only average.  Crying or Very sad  Never outstanding.  Mad  BUT, but, but was that Rocketman bred heifer only average? Show us a few more, Mike.
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:37 pm

Larkota, what are you suffering from? Is advertising a form of marketing? I agree Jim Larson sticks to a plan and has a really good breeding program. Glad we agree on something!
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:43 pm

Discontent? Hardly! I'm have the time of my life. A heifer out of my number one ribeye cow family should calf any day. Can't wait! Bull calf or heifer calf does not matter. It should be a keeper.  cheers  Knowing my cows like I do is what makes these Wagyu hybrids so much fun.
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:00 pm

Will wrote:
Sorry I forgot its only average.   Crying or Very sad  Never outstanding.   Mad   BUT, but, but was that Rocketman bred heifer only average?  Show us a few more, Mike.  

nahhh, too much trouble; those who matter have already either been here or have some of their own like her...I did go look at hoovers epds...really nice terminal bull; heifers ought to eat good on one`s plate...but I thought the only epds you believed in were the ones you created?

Megan, do many commercial producers use AI in your hill area?
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:04 pm

Will wrote:
Discontent?  Hardly!  I'm have the time of my life.  A heifer out of my number one ribeye cow family should calf any day.  Can't wait!   Bull calf or heifer calf does not matter.  It should be a keeper.   cheers  Knowing my cows like I do is what makes these Wagyu hybrids so much fun.

I`m not surprised you know your cattle so well Will...fact is, I`ve never encountered such a level of predictability... cheers 
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:12 pm

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Megan, do many commercial producers use AI  in your hill area?

Very few Mike - to much hassle to bring the cows into the yards especially with calves at foot - our property's hills are pretty average and a good example of the type of country that most of the beef cows in NZ are run on - you can imagine bringing in large numbers of cows, and their calves, through mobs of sheep to get the job done - so much easier to let the specialist breeder breed the bulls you like and put them out with the cows. Often mating time clashes with lamb docking time too which is a priority especially in areas prone to fly strike.

I guess there are some folk with small numbers who may A/I. Landcorp which is a huge farming entity owned by the Government ("they are just like normal farmers you know" ............. yeah right - a new vehicle every two or three years and 4 weeks paid holiday - I don't think so) indulge in A/I but they breed a large number of bulls for their own use and run stud like operations.
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:19 pm

When I get to the bottom I go back to the top of the slide
Where I stop and I turn and I go for a ride
Till I get to the bottom and I see you again
Yeah yeah yeah hey

Do you, don't you want me to love you
I'm coming down fast but I'm miles above you
Tell me tell me tell me come on tell me the answer
Well you may be a lover but you ain't no dancer

Now helter skelter helter skelter
Helter skelter yeah
Ooh!

Will you, won't you want me to make you
I'm coming down fast but don't let me break you
Tell me tell me tell me the answer
You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer
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