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Larry Leonhardt



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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:59 pm

- THE FREE REWARDS OF LIFE -

To explain the free rewards in life, I learned to better understand human nature in my self-contained $3500 secluded cave.   I first learned about human marketing techniques when I saw "going out of business" signs 60 years ago in Times Square "marketing wars" and some of those same businesses are still in business today ...  in the tradional cattle breeding world we'd  call these marketing techniques "mature herd reduction dispersals".  Very Happy 

For example, I learned about the success of the Cabela`s sporting goods business - which began in 1961 on a kitchen table by offering "fishing lures" (that Dick Cabela bought but couldn't re-sell) FREE for only shipping and handling costs.   Dick always learned something valuable from mistakes, and after over 50 years there are now 50 Cabela`s retail stores across the United States and Canada, averaging one new store per year.    I don't know who was second with this somewhat reverse merchandising technique compared to the reverse of traditional cattle breeders,  Sam Walton or Dick Cabela, but I think Henry Ford was among the first.  Very Happy    Plagiarizing these methods, for the past two months I've been working on this special formula of elements to bottle as a free repellent to bovine traditionalism and yet attract aliens.  

Today,  I am now able to provide an introductory offer for my "bottled product" FREE for only the "shipping and handling" costs.  On the label, I am unable to list the natural invisible, completely harmless elements in my mind- altering excelsior often used by psychiatrists,  but I can assure everyone that the all natural ingredients are safe and exempt from USDA rules and regulations ... subject to the side effects which may produce contented care-free happiness, much more so than crack cocaine or LSD.    But I am getting way ahead of myself so first I'll explain the "source" of my excelsior step by step.

Firstly, 100% purely cleansed aliens aren't attracted to the gazillions spent breeding registered cattle selecting for the highest achievers wrapped in invented dollars.   Aliens also don't care how much time and invented money was wasted by my ancestral genera Ponce de LEON who spent his entire life back in the 16th century searching for, but never finding the fountain of youth.   I'm finally going to reveal that my genera who "lived always" never spent a penny discovering it about 5 centuries later ... not in Florida but hidden in "yellow stone" park, where the most precious elements in life are preserved in life itself.  Shocked

to be continued..mk
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:50 pm



I did hire some free archeologists and they have traced the origin of the Fountain of Youth back to eons ago, spewing forth the most precious and essential elements, the invisible to the eye but microscopic eggs of fertility.  Oddly, these "eggs" are what led to the original Roman fertility festival and evolving to be Easter egg bunnies to represent a rabbit's prolificacy for secularists.  Most of us get side-tracked by the goose that lays golden eggs or spinning wheels turning "yarn" into gold.  I must admit that before emerging as a 100% pure alien, I nearly drowned being distracted by those yellow shiny stones lying down on the bottom of the this pool.   I have no scientific proof, but solely based on my baptizing experience, I'm nearly 100% sure that the Fountain of Youth consists of the same identical microscopic elements found in the original Roman Fountain of Love.  

My previous problem was all too common, it takes money to make money and the more I wanted, the bigger my problem grew.   My perplexing  situation was cleared up by another "angel of life" providing me with a vision of a perpetual expanding universal motion machine designed to create misery or contentment by my choices.    I could either emerge empty handed leaving my mistakes behind me or drown from the weight of filling my pockets with those shiny yellow stones at the bottom of the pool.    It was an easy choice at the time but sometimes I'm tempted to go back to the bottom, my only salvation comes from taking  a swig of my excelsior to repel tradition.  From my personal experience, I can  guarantee that my free bottle of microscopic elements taken from this pool and labeled with the "triangle of love"  full "satisfaction" or triple your invented money back.  Very Happy 

I must forewarn everyone, however, that when you emerge from this pool of life as an alien, as you can see the side effects in the  in the picture above as an infant and at maturity below
... aliens have larger heads and smaller bodies with special ears that don't grow until maturity so they can't hear no evil while growing up.  The larger brain enables an alien to separate the trash from the truth, a natural law that you either use it or lose it - the opposite of traditionalists who have 250\# big muscular bodies with "pea brains".   For further proof, Tom D had this modern ultra-infra ray camera that revealed my true alien form hidden inside my exterior 250# muscular earthly body ...  it is natural for traditionalists to look down on  aliens.  Shocked 



Greetings Earthling, I will now teach you the art of cattle breeding (pictured showing the traditional manager of the Wye cow herd the secret formula of the "triangle of love")


edited...to be continued..mk
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:12 am

I hope this explains the origin of the ingredients of my excelsior but there is much more to the basis of my "programmed" story.  I have never before revealed that the original geometric triangular rusted object was discovered about 35 years ago by a little ole man using a divining rod in his own backyard, carbon dated to be as old as mankind.    I have possession of this object dubbed the "triangle of love" inscribed with the Latin formula of X x Y = Z, this artifactual treasure is now hidden in my cave, protected by armed invisible mercenary angels.   Only aliens can understand that special Latin formula, proven by Bootheel's traditional post back in October of 2010:

The re-education of some of us slow learners Mr. LEON........I puzzled over your ponderings a good bit today, I am still confused.....I understand the concept of maternal and terminal lines, to a limited degree, the purity concept I guess is where my thought process gets derailed a bit. I understand the maternal cow bred to a terminal bull or breed to optimize commercial returns, but then we have the theory that the crossbred cow, gives greater returns, when bred to another breed, they tell us she lasts longer, breeds up better and such.

I guess my question, or point is, do we not create the same inconsistencies when using the three way cross, as using the divergent types so common in the registered sector? This is where I really get lost at, and start having second thoughts, someone of better cognitive reasoning needs to straighten me out.

It has been  difficult for me to explain the invisible elements in my bottled excelsior.   Better cognitive reasoning comes from better understanding of human and natural laws.   Too much time is spent being side-tracked by details,  still arguing over the same questions trying to define the difference between a "crossbred" and a "straightbred registered purebred" cow.  One swig of my excelsior will improve eyesight to see that the functional differences as being one of minuscule importance.   One of the functional differences in a  "Truline" movement is to improve the frequency of a functional type.   Some of the common obstacles are the self-interests of time and invented money needed to improve the reliability of the parent stock,

but that is not the fundamental purpose of the "TruLine" movement, it is just an essential element to producing the most beef for the least cost and expenditure of labor ... that means the truline product must be free for only the shipping and wholesale handling costs.  

Is it any wonder that 100% aliens are few and far between.   I readily concede that it is much easier to just forget this whole proposition but I chose to learn how to overcome all the foreseen obstacles contained within the boundaries of natural laws. One of importance is that the bottom line handling costs are based on commercial prices.  Of course, the bottom line reason I took on this part time job of writing KC novels is to help me sell my cattle at "going out of business" competitive wholesale prices ... the proof is like when Bob H reached a point of raising his own bulls which allows me to compete in a "truline purebred" marketplace isolated from traditionalism.  Shocked

to be continued..mk
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:53 am

Rev. Leonhardt, I really appreciate the two months that you put into preparing this sermon; even if it's all just the same old stuff and you don't really tell us anything new. When discussing the universal natural laws of love and life, how could there be anything new? It is good for this congregation of content souls to hear these words from a preacher that actually practices what he preaches. The MDI collectors are angry because they cannot set up their tables in our happy little church, and the self-inflicted lepers watch from outside the windows. All the while the front doors remain open, while the contented congregation comes and goes as they please.

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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:44 pm

- MARKETING STRATEGIES - FERTILITY

Hundreds of pages have been written about the mechanisms of breeding cattle in bits and pieces but very few seem to understand the T O T A L I T Y of this movement. Any who do or did, most of them left, and after reading this post Mike and I may be the only ones among the few left standing in this lonesome corner, laughing and having so much fun, surrounded by a few onlookers who think we're crazy for not being in debt. Very Happy Very Happy

I pay homage to the Fertility Festival every day seeing how my chosen "programme" has the opposite effect of worrying about rarity and extinction, they are so prolific I can sell 'em and value 'em at a "dime a dozen" commercial prices .... my primary concern now is more about producing enough sustenance for an expanding population. So, I've been slowly reduceing my production of cash crops in favor of raising feed for the ultimate objective of my "breeding programme" ... the primary purpose of my grandiose plan is to provide an alternative to anyone who might also want to reduce their MDI index. Very Happy

However, I haven't been very successful in promoting my "programme", misery loves company. So, I've spent these past two months restructuring my promotional efforts to help anyone decide how much misery they prefer. I decided to use this example that Mike posted of this groomed picture standing on wasted cornstalks being promoted to sell this popular, traditional pedigreed "breeding" animal as a "donor cow" for more money ... the more invented dollars she brings, the more misery will be enjoyed by all the associates. Very Happy



Potentially, she may be a fine slaughter animal, but aliens see this as one of the most godforsaken valuable cows in the traditional business. I learned the miserable way ... that the "unmeasured DNA epigenesis defect" of daylight under the tailhead and sloping vagina assures continued rarity, so common among the current traditional wave of rare, proud, big-bellied, popular, sub-fertile breed leading curve benders... who's primary interest in life is eating. Very Happy Sooner or later we all learn that a population of a specie or race either thrives or shrinks in relation to its needed sustenance, however, unfortunately I learned later rather than sooner that genetic fertility is of foremost importance in an efficient ( profitable) work 'n wear happy cow ... another alien "angel" sent to protect us from the wraths of hell advised that "sub-fertility is reciprocated by fat and vice versa. Shocked

Based on my miserable traditional registered experiences, I wasn't surprised when Robert Mac said he is unable to understand Gavin's statement that " there is no heritability in fertility....culling cows is constant". [/color]That is absolutely the opposite in my alien world. Being free to fashion my own standard for rather than against fertility, I have the opposite quandary holding down my numbers not knowing which cows to cull from my own established standard, a cow herd busy, buzzing around the center of its' nucleus rather than the outside perimeters ... which I nicknamed my maternal "Cornucopia - Horn of Plenty" = .....



In the first half of my life, I learned this is not a heavenly world without problems. In my more easily renewable "programme", I could no longer play "blind man's bluff", the only game I can play now is "eenie, meenie, miney, moe", I don't know which one to let go. Very Happy Unlike Grassfarmer, I've given up worrying about hairline choices among sire selection of nearly identical close bred full sibs, I've delegated that job back to nature's centuries of experience in order to have someone else to blame for whatever occurs. I've reached a point now where I just consider all my bulls and cows to be close bred "full sibs" Very Happy

I can't even begin to imagine all the hassle trying to decide which cow would be the "best" to flush just to get more of her progeny. Getting more progeny out of one cow would only make my "new" problem even bigger struggling with this out of control prolific inherent fertility. I reasoned it must be nature's attractive beauty and mothering instincts of my cows and over zealous libido in my bulls going thru or over fences that is the root cause of my over-population problem Very Happy As a result, sometimes my younger cows have two calves in one year which caused my year-around calving season with 300-day calving intervals ... it's not easy controlling a population of over-sexed cattle with only the one task of love on their minds ... to my cattle sex and reproduction is even more important than eating ... they think that the more the merrier with full dependence on me to keep them fed. Shocked Very Happy

The only disadvantage of having cows able to do their own thing while eating less, in my situation it still requires too much of my free time to raise more feed to feed more mouths ... but in MK's situation, their advantage is it gives him more time to travel and golf, even in Florida during those few "harsh KY" winter days. Some days I feel like the ole lady that lived in a shoe with so many cattle in every nook and cranny, I don't know what to do, I give 'em a little hay only every other day and then send them out to play. Very Happy



Babysitting, have you ever in your life seen so many happy faces from a herd of unwed working mothers ... well, to tell the truth, actually this is a hand-painted picture I borrowed from Kendra and Kristina's home schooling classes teaching the facts of the purpose of life .... I think Kristina inherited that tendency from her dad, I'm not sure if Kendra's tendencies were from epigenesis or not, in any case, epigenesis will pass those characters on. Very Happy I once was perplexed with how do we live and let live in heavenly harmony when everything must live off of something else. scratch scratch Obviously people eat cows and cows eat forage so somebody has to provide more sustenance for more mouths to feed, a job for whoever owns cows.

to b continued...mk
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:13 pm

SUSTENANCE AND TIME  -

Having dominion over all things can be overwhelming, so I chose to follow the path of my hero's in life who reduced their "MDI" index to a bare minimum. ...  like Johnny Appleseed who had an inner urge to spend his entire life ENJOYING planting seeds for others to harvest the fruit ... he must have inherited that recessive genera from the "triangle of love" to care more about the populace than himself.   Question 


 
Like Johnny, I see how the wind, birds and bees scatter the seeds of inanimate life that lack the power of motion, in turn providing the animates with sustenance.   When I get depressed thinking about time and how slow my "programme" is evolving, another unidentified "angel" provided me with this timely gift to lift my alien "spirits"...."The Origin of the tale of Rip Van Winkle".  

Rip evolved from the story of Honi M'agel who falls asleep after asking a man why he is planting a carob tree which traditionally takes 70 years to mature, making it virtually impossible for him to ever benefit from the tree's fruit. After this exchange, Honi falls asleep on the ground and is miraculously covered by a rock and remains out of sight for 70 years. When he awakens, he finds a fully mature tree and is happy to see that he has a grandson enjoyin' the SWEET fruit of the tree... still planting more of those same ole  nitrogenous leguminous, evergreen carob trees, who somehow learned the process of self-fertilization from sunshine, air and water.




Like all gorgeous flowers, the flowers on the female carob trees must be "cross" pollinated from the male trees.   I've told these same ole stories before how my "guiding angels" reminded me that all cattle are a "CROSS" which led me to initiate the development of distinctly different female and male strains, each for their own unique functional roles to produce the "fruit"... but traditional mindsets just don't seem interested.



Editing the real life story of what Bob H found when he awakened, quoted excerpts - "What we found when we went from (traditional) F1's to the next "cross" is that you lose any predictability and yes you can sort but it costs REAL money ....to see if she will become a cow.....like socialism it works good until you run out of money.......What we found was that when we quit (continual) cross-breeding we quit going thru this merry-go round and were able to keep a high percentage of heifers that went on to be good enoughcows They calve every year on their own and wean a coupon what a novel idea on a cow outfit...... living on sunshine and water " -  I chuckled ... epigenetics from Bob's environment must have turned his Shoshone cows into a nitrogenous leguminous species  Shocked  Razz  Razz 

To confirm Bob's story, USDA-ARS studies reveal that drought resistant heifers fed 27% less feed make hardier more efficient cows without impairing fertility since organs are what use the majority of calories, consequently smaller organs mean more calories will go toward gain.    Having smaller organs, I am living proof that I can thrive and work on 1000 calories per day.  Shocked

tbc...mk
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:43 am

Larry Leonhardt wrote:


Unlike Grassfarmer, I've given up worrying about hairline choices among sire selection of nearly identical close bred full sibs, I've delegated that job back to nature's centuries of experience in order to have someone else to blame for whatever occurs. I've reached a point now where I just consider all my bulls and cows to be close bred "full sibs"  Very Happy

So Larry, sorry to cut into another lengthy masterpiece of yours with a superficial sounding question…But….did you give up worrying about that sort of decision when you discovered it wasn't important or when your herd achieved a point of homozygosity? I'm at a lot different stage of herd development to you - do these decisions carry the same, or more, weight in the early stage of a strain development versus the "maintenance" stage of a stabilized strain?

And I've got to ask - the unidentified "alien angel" that provided you with their vision of seeing "time" being like a winding river flowing downhill, unable to touch the same water twice, because the flow that has passed will never pass again. Was that the same alien angel that showed you how to make the irrigation water run uphill at Red Lodge?  Suspect
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:27 am

LL wrote:
...which could lead to an unaffordable use in the beef business or worse yet, the ultimate extinction of the registered Angus breed as a result of this pursuit of perfect purification to save us from ourselves
While there is another question up, I want to jump in. Is the identification of problems in a breed or a herd always a bad thing if we want to be able to help the commercial industry? OR was that your point; the breeder with some newly known defects had no interest in the potential buyers and was only thinking of himself?
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:04 am

EddieM wrote:
LL wrote:
...which could lead to an unaffordable use in the beef business or worse yet, the ultimate extinction of the registered Angus breed as a result of this pursuit of perfect purification to save us from ourselves
While there is another question up, I want to jump in.  Is the identification of problems in a breed or a herd always a bad thing if we want to be able to help the commercial industry?  OR was that your point; the breeder with some newly known defects had no interest in the potential buyers and was only thinking of himself?

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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:08 pm

Maybe in 20 more years I will have the problem of which cow to cull...
But, then, will it matter which I sell if all their daughters are capable replacements?
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:09 pm

Eddie,  Grassfarmer, Robert....I'll answer any questions later, I'm too excited to find out how the story ends, I can't hardly wait  Very Happy    Mike pokes around with posting bits and pieces but he just can't change who he is  Very Happy 
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:44 pm

Larry Leonhardt wrote:
Eddie,  Grassfarmer, Robert....I'll answer any questions later, I'm too excited to find out how the story ends, I can't hardly wait  Very Happy    Mike pokes around with posting bits and pieces but he just can't change who he is  Very Happy 
Larry, Mike is probably posting between golf outings. But he does a good job so you ought to think about giving him a raise. Laughing  Eddie
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:07 pm

- 'CROSS' BREEDING ??????? -  

No one can deny that controlled hybridization can be beneficial.  We've all read and appreciated Bob's real life stories here on KC,  but I just wanna remind everyone that Bob's Charolais bulls aren't or weren't of this type pictured below - crossing beauty and the beast ... and I wanna thank Grassfarmer for providing this picture as an example of the pinnacle of craziness for meat lovers everywhere and those who seek beastly rarity ... I thought purple cows, MK's cows jumping over the moon and Angus calves with extra legs were weird ... The picture below indicates truth is stranger than fiction, I think there is a little hippo, rhino or dino transcendence going on here  Very Happy  .... no, that's not Grassfarmer at the halter, I think it's a distant relative ...




I hope ya'll have read about Bob's posted real live practical population experiments, I am very grateful for his posts on KC for helping to shed some light on my "programme".   Back when MK was still indoctrinated by his university professors, without him ever knowing it I nicknamed him  "Mendelian Mike" to differentiate him from my youngest son "Merry Mike", both always with that bull shitting, teasing grin on their faces.  They are both skimmers doing 2 or 3 jobs at once with too little patience and I don't know why MMK questioned my Christmas post wherein I said (with added color for impatient skimmer's emphasis):

"The absolutely only reason the industry thinks a (traditional) crossbred  beef cow is better is that we don't know how to create a more profitable purebred cow that could be absolutely more efficient than any NON-RENEWABLE crossbred cow ever could hope to be........"

I suppose he favors F1 cows cause by nature he is short on patience and his memory is not quite as good as it could  be.    I decided to re-use MK's picture of his "crossbred" cow which I "think" may be the ONLY ONE he ever produced by chance that looked like this rare type.   Question  Razz 



Goodness gracious, I don't know any commercial BEEF producers that wouldn't love to have entire herds of this TYPE of cow, especially if they had a 20-year production lifespan.   More importantly, there is absolutely no genetic reason this type couldn't be a "pureblood", all it would require is STEADFAST selection and time ... but based on my expert experience, it would be a cold day in hell before that type of bull calf nursing her could ever consistently reproduce her type.   Maybe one out of a hundred, of course, it doesn't matter cuz traditionalists would change her to what she is not anyway.  Wink  Razz 

If white would be a better color than black for the heat and humidity of a KY environment, I thought I would counter Mike's "crossbred back cross" picture with a "purebred" picture promoting British Whites - already established with black noses, ears, teats, eyes and hooves....."purebreds" descending back more than 2500 years when they were free from human domestication and intervention......reputed to be "milky, docile and beefy who deliver all that an owner can wish for in health, longevity, fertility, milk and beef..... efficient good foragers with calving ease.".......at last a perfect already made "A" lternative for MK's ABCs with all the productivity he's wishing  for.   Shocked  Shocked 


British White Cow and Bull Calf  


British Whites
"The British White first came to notice in 1697 on the dispersal of the herd at Whalley Abbey.considered the fountainhead of the breed.  Since 1948 only polled have been accepted for registration. The cattle, as their name implies, are white with, normally, black points, nose, muzzle, eyelids, teats and feet. The British White Cattle Association of America (BWCAA) was formed in 1988 and it joins British White societies of Great Britain and Australia in promoting and registering the polled British White cattle of the world. "/color]

British White Characteristics and Selection Standards (added color for emphasis)

"The British White is polled (genetically hornless), docile and WAS a dual purpose breed (beef and milk) until 1950. since then the British Whites SELECTION has been for BEEF production with CARRY OVER heavy milk production. The American British White cow is of moderate size, 1000 to 1500 pounds. Bulls are from 1800 to 2300 pounds. They are smooth polled although an occasional ff3366]]"scur" is observed. Both bulls and cows are very docile in nature. The cow udders are well set and tight with small black teats. Back lines are straight and strong with a slight slope to the tail head. The bull's scrotums are well shaped and large in size, a 38-42cm circumference in yearling bulls is normal with hardy completely black hooves.

Selection should avoid short, thick bunchy muscleing hindering locomotion and is related to light milk and reproductive inefficiencies, also culling those animals with wasty deposits of fat and curled partially or completely white hooves, lack of pigment around the eyes and pink teats."

Well Mike, we can drool over these exceptional promotional pictures that are too good to be totally true, cuz by reading between the lines it sounds like the Brit, Aussy and Americus Associations are up to the same ole registered tricks again with 500# variances in mature size with no more efficient functional repeatability's than any other registered all-purpose breed, yet they are intent only on preserving the "purity" of their "highly economic" traits of color'n polls  Shocked  Wink    So Mike, I guess our wishful hopes for a more prepotent functional type have faded away again, these "purebred" British Whites are actually no different than your Ax\C "crossbred" cow ... we'd hafta segregate this formerly dual-purpose breed all over again for single purpose., so we're back to multiplying and culling, keeping one out of many instead of focused breeding ... "WHEN WILL WE EVER LEARNclown 

Traditionalists just love increasing their MDI to the point of breaking.   In my alien world, I've decided to banish the words and names of breeds, crossbreeds, linebreds, composites, inbreeding coefficients,  heterozygous, homozygous, ALL expected progeny difference averages, curve benders, easy fleshing, pharos, heritabilities, balancers, single trait measures, sire summaries, individual comparisons, AI, ET, recipients, registered dollar values, Akashui or any other associations, all the monitored defects, and whatever other words or habits traditionalists use, especially DNA markers since another "angel" named Rod Ross re-informed me that aliens need to forget the genome, that Epigenome is where its at ..... the one language that is written over the top hiding another, the language in which God created life which is inscribed on my ancient "triangle of love".... believe it or not .    

No wonder my Roman reverse "programme" is lonely, traditionalists think that the free God-given genera of life can be owned   Shocked   and explains why my product is free save for the "shipping and handling costs".  Wink  Very Happy 

I do think Hilly's post needs re-posting to provide more practical application for anyone interested in being an "alien"(with added color for emphasis
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For clarity of degrees it would be helpful for me if LL and Mike could explain where on the mating systems chart the cows are in their ideal production system......It takes time for a population to balance with both environmental range and constant selection pressure.(for the fittest)

I don’t think it’s problematic for a commercial producer to use crossbred cows but knowing the basic principles  behind them the question becomes are they better than or as efficient as...
I don’t really pay too much attention to the
(inbreeding) labels  at the bottom of the chart. The basic concept in my mind is that a population center on that chart is more of a natural balance with individuals being on either side. Where the general idea of isolation limits the right and functional purpose limits the left.

A breeder’s eye  could do both but with our tendencies we’d likely drift right in search easier fleshing heavier weaning weights or left in search of higher IBC and the theoretical reduction in variance of  both the good and the bad.

If you as a breeder chose an individual as an ideal, the further that individual is from center the more costly it will be to maintain her, be it $ or variance which is not a bad thing but understanding that helps me sleep... ok so maybe I still don't sleep
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Thanks Craig.  I've finally decided my new dictionary for aliens would combine all the aforementioned words and measures into two words .... "Synchronized Hybridization".   I've defined a functional strain umpteen times and the only key word to remember is that it requires an unusual ability of "prepotency".    While traditional registered breeders are often embarrassed when their cattle sell at bottom line commercial prices, a Roman reversed alien takes great pride in his accomplishment cuz the greater reward is in customer appreciated satisfaction.


tbc...mk
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:59 pm

- MY NEW TRADEMARK -

And finally, in my newly restructured efforts to promote my "programme", I decided to take Eddie M's suggestion to use talking green lizards or some extraneous way to sell happy assurance to those interested in a more enjoyable rather than a miserable life . As a new first step, sex sells so I decided to replace my old trademark of the base Shoshone bull head with this alluring, flowing black haired, rainbow colored angelic mermaid who appeared before me at the bottom of the Fountain of Youth and Love ... the first genuine photo of Mother Nature catching her spewing forth her "eggs" from the POOLS of eternal life ... she told me she likes my choices. Shocked Shocked Smile



The Source of Eternal Life
THE CHURCH OF MOTHER NATURE




I know Tom D will be very envious of my new promotional Mother Nature full size book cover, so I have a patent pending. I can't hardly wait to fill in all the blank pages with picture stories revealing the STARK NAKED DIFFERENCES between breeding "money" cattle and cattle that "live always" from the same gene pools. cheers jocolor

LL in the vicinity of my "aliens welcome" cave waiting for orders of my FREE products fit for land or sea with a "lifetime warranty" and a bonus of a free hug of appreciation for the first 1,000,000 customers cheers cheers
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:56 am

PS



I forgot to mention that another "angel" warned me of the dire consequences if we continue to follow the hypnotized traditionalists' world:

It was entertainment night at the senior citizens' center.

After the community sing along, led by Alice at the piano, it was time for the star of the show -- Claude the Hypnotist!

Claude explained that he was going to put the whole audience into a trance.

"Yes, each and every one of you and all at the same time" said Claude.

The excited chatter dropped to silence as Claude carefully withdrew from his waistcoat pocket --- a beautiful antique gold pocket watch and chain.

"I want you to keep your eyes on this watch" said Claude, holdingthe "shiny gold watch" high for all to see.

"It is a very special and valuable watch that has been in my family for six generations" said Claude.

Claude began to swing the watch gently back and forth while quietly chanting

"Watch the watch ---

Watch the watch ----

Watch the watch".

The audience became mesmerized as the gold watch swayed back and forth.

The lights were twinkling as they were reflected from its gleaming surfaces.

A hundred and fifty pairs of eyes followed the movements of the gently swaying watch. The audience was hypnotized.


And then, suddenly, the chain broke!!! The beautiful watch fell to the stage and burst apart on impact.

"SHIT" said Claude.



It took them three days to clean the Senior Citizens' Center, and Claude was never invited there again.





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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:53 pm

Grassfarmer wrote:
Larry Leonhardt wrote:


Unlike Grassfarmer, I've given up worrying about hairline choices among sire selection of nearly identical close bred full sibs, I've delegated that job back to nature's centuries of experience in order to have someone else to blame for whatever occurs. I've reached a point now where I just consider all my bulls and cows to be close bred "full sibs"  Very Happy

So Larry, sorry to cut into another lengthy masterpiece of yours with a superficial sounding question…But….did you give up worrying about that sort of decision when you discovered it wasn't important or when your herd achieved a point of homozygosity? I'm at a lot different stage of herd development to you - do these decisions carry the same, or more, weight in the early stage of a strain development versus the "maintenance" stage of a stabilized strain?

And I've got to ask - the unidentified "alien angel" that provided you with their vision of seeing "time" being like a winding river flowing downhill, unable to touch the same water twice, because the flow that has passed will never pass again. Was that the same alien angel that showed you how to make the irrigation water run uphill at Red Lodge?  Suspect





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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:57 pm

EddieM wrote:
LL wrote:
...which could lead to an unaffordable use in the beef business or worse yet, the ultimate extinction of the registered Angus breed as a result of this pursuit of perfect purification to save us from ourselves
While there is another question up, I want to jump in.  Is the identification of problems in a breed or a herd always a bad thing if we want to be able to help the commercial industry?  OR was that your point; the breeder with some newly known defects had no interest in the potential buyers and was only thinking of himself?

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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:37 am

Larry said
The traditional registered annual sale season is underway.   Under the "For Sale" topic on KC, I decided to extend Mike and I's brief interchange about the "2014 Wye Sale Catalog" by moving it over to this "truline" topic for continuation after Mike's last post:

when in selling, do as the sellers do...if money is the first priority"....

In the Bull Selling business, each person is free to choose his own priorities, however, the learning process often cause our priorities to change   One of my favorite pastimes is preparing these long, unimportant, free posts offering some things nobody cares about and other things no one wants to hear.

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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:44 am

I decided to use this example that Mike posted of this groomed picture standing on wasted cornstalks being promoted to sell this popular, traditional pedigreed "breeding" animal as a "donor cow" for more money ...  the more invented dollars she brings, the more misery will be enjoyed by all the associates.  Very Happy




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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Sun Mar 16, 2014 7:20 am

Based on my miserable traditional registered experiences,  I wasn't surprised when Robert Mac said he is unable to understand Gavin's statement that " there is no heritability in fertility....culling cows is constant".    [/color]That is absolutely the opposite in my alien world.   Being free to fashion my own standard for rather than against fertility, I have the opposite quandary holding down my numbers not knowing which cows to cull from my own established standard, a cow herd busy, buzzing around the center of its' nucleus rather than the outside perimeters ... which I nicknamed  my maternal  "Cornucopia - Horn of Plenty" = .....  



the et close bred{grandson back on aunt} granddaughters of this cow all were pregnant the other day; ornery looking{they don`t look like the picture cow at this stage of life} as they are compared to MS Cornstalk of Iowa...they reminded me of another LL story...
seems LL picks some closer bred, yellow tag bulls for a producer to make cows with...a few years go by when the producer calls needing more bulls; very pleased with the daughters production, function and looks...but he tells LL he wants green tag bulls this time; because he just can`t hardly stand looking at those ittle yellow tag bulls  Rolling Eyes 
so I`m kinda like that producer; these girls are pregnant all right; but I still have a hard time likin`em  Shocked Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Sun Mar 16, 2014 8:19 pm

Once you decide to keep them, doesn't it only matter that they produce and what they produce?
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Sun Mar 16, 2014 8:31 pm

RobertMac wrote:
Once you decide to keep them, doesn't it only matter that they produce and what they produce?
pretty much...just expressing the lingering brain washing of

Tradition  Smile
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:18 am

Tom D wrote:
Rev. Leonhardt, I really appreciate the two months that you put into preparing this sermon; even if it's all just the same old stuff and you don't really tell us anything new.  When discussing the universal natural laws of love and life, how could there be anything new?  It is good for this congregation of content souls to hear these words from a preacher that actually practices what he preaches.  The MDI collectors are angry because they cannot set up their tables in our happy little church, and the self-inflicted lepers watch from outside the windows.  All the while the front doors remain open, while the contented congregation comes and goes as they please.


Happy 35th birthday Tom,
you have probably already crossed more bridges than most do in a lifetime; even burned a couple that were  bridges to no where; nothing new under the sun...
the little church grows smaller in numbers and stronger at the principled core than at our beginning in 2010 ; as the peripherals see they have milked the church for all it has to offer in monetary benefits, and what marketer wants to be burdened with principles Question ... especially principles that are exceedingly simple for anyone to understand; just difficult to apply and still market mystery and greatness...
the plot never changes; just the characters as history repeats itself...
aw shucks, just not a big deal ...on we go, we know where; just not how many ...
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:25 pm

Traditionalist...that's funny!
I don't own the first black or short eared cow. Laughing 
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PostSubject: Re: When you use a true line for outcrossing   Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:47 pm

RobertMac wrote:
Traditionalist...that's funny!
I don't own the first black or short eared cow. Laughing 

no, no...that was the ingrained tradition that still lingers in my eye I was referring too...
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