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PostSubject: Fantasy Breeding   Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:55 am

It is like Football and Fantasy Football. One is a game played by people who have trained and played to be players, and coached by people who have some level of experience and expertise . Fantasy Football is for people who couldn't play or coach. It allows them to make decisions about a game they are only qualified to enjoy as a spectator. It creates interest and sales opportunities but does it really enhance the game? Breeding by the numbers is cattle breeding's Fantasy Football.

Scott not too shabby.

Larkota to lazy for numbers and no level of expertise so stuck in the middle.
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PostSubject: Re: Fantasy Breeding   Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:11 pm

THAT WAS PURE BLASPHEMY Scott. You got ole Jimmer Jammer all twisted up like a child that someone took away his lollipop. I think he needs a HUG one of those great big man hugs that end with a sloppy Kiss. W.T thinkin there are dumb people all around and they don't even know that they are dumb.
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PostSubject: Re: Fantasy Breeding   Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:37 pm

More fantasy from Defects central they would rather breed to the most popular and test, test, test than breed to functional well balanced animals that wouldn't require defect testing.


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Originally posted by GBB

This thread begs the question...what genetics do you guys recommend that are outside of the mainstream and available to Joe blow the commercial guy that needs proven genetics in a straw?

The question is asked by a commercial producer that doesn’t have much background in the angus breed until recently. I keep reading the pros and cons of both sides but no sources have been recommended by the folks using less known genetics. Or data that shows competitive results or rail data of their calves.
I can drive down the road and see abs, genex, ss, and accelgen genetics to see how they work in our part of the world. Can't do that with most of the more rare genetics being used that are stated as superior or consistently average...thus the question of genetic sources and why a commercial producer should jump ship to "oldschool" genetics...

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Here are a couple that will work for about anyone, that wants trouble free cows. 16379969,15505443,15491070. Just bulls with no fanfare that leave good daughters behind and steers that pay the bills. These kind of cattle just work, with excellent feet and hip structure.

Again not advertising just showing good cattle that need shown. and Good people. http://horsebutteranch.com/cattleindex.asp
http://powellangusranch.homestead.com/PowellStability.html


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PostSubject: Re: Fantasy Breeding   Tue Oct 01, 2013 8:16 pm


A long, long time ago
I can still remember how that music used to make me smile
And I knew if I had my chance that I could make those people dance
And maybe they'd be happy for a while

But February made me shiver with every paper I'd deliver
Bad news on the doorstep, I couldn't take one more step
I can't remember if I cried when I read about his widowed bride
But something touched me deep inside the day the music died

So bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
And them good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye
Singing this'll be the day that I die, this'll be the day that I die

Did you write the book of love and do you have faith in God above
If the Bible tells you so?
Now do you believe in rock and roll? Can music save your mortal soul?
And can you teach me how to dance real slow?

Well, I know that you're in love with him
'Cause I saw you dancing in the gym
You both kicked off your shoes
Man, I dig those rhythm and blues

I was a lonely teenage bronc'n' buck
With a pink carnation and a pickup truck
But I knew I was out of luck
The day the music died
I started singing bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
And them good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye
Singing this'll be the day that I die, this'll be the day that I die

Now, for ten years we've been on our own
And moss grows fat on a rolling stone
But that's not how it used to be
When the jester sang for the king and queen
In a coat he borrowed from James Dean
And a voice that came from you and me

Oh, and while the king was looking down
The jester stole his thorny crown
The courtroom was adjourned
No verdict was returned

And while Lenin read a book on Marx
The quartet practiced in the park
And we sang dirges in the dark
The day the music died

We were singing bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
And them good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye
Singing this'll be the day that I die, this'll be the day that I die

Helter skelter in a summer swelter
The birds flew off with a fallout shelter
Eight miles high and falling fast
Landed foul on the grass
The players tried for a forward pass
With the jester on the sidelines in a cast

Now the half time air was sweet perfume
While sergeants played a marching tune
We all got up to dance
Oh, but we never got the chance

'Cause the players tried to take the field
The marching band refused to yield
Do you recall what was revealed
The day the music died?

We started singing bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
Them good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye
And singing this'll be the day that I die, this'll be the day that I die

Oh, and there we were all in one place, a generation lost in space
With no time left to start again
So come on Jack be nimble, Jack be quick
Jack Flash sat on a candlestick 'cause fire is the devil's only friend

Oh, and as I watched him on the stage
My hands were clenched in fists of rage
No angel born in hell
Could break that Satan's spell

And as the flames climbed high into the night
To light the sacrificial rite
I saw Satan laughing with delight
The day the music died

He was singing bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
Them good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye
And singing this'll be the day that I die, this'll be the day that I die

I met a girl who sang the blues
And I asked her for some happy news
But she just smiled and turned away
I went down to the sacred store
Where I'd heard the music years before
But the man there said the music wouldn't play

And in the streets the children screamed
The lovers cried and the poets dreamed
But not a word was spoken
The church bells all were broken

And the three men I admire most
The Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost
They caught the last train for the coast
The day the music died

And they were singing bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
Them good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye
Singing this'll be the day that I die, this'll be the day that I die

They were singing, bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
Them good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye
Singing this'll be the day that I die

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PostSubject: Re: Fantasy Breeding   Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:14 pm

Tom,
you`re a mighty young man to appreciate the music before it died...I`ve a table for 8 at the dock Oct 18 to put some life back in the music Very Happy you could come, ya know...Linda will chaperone, however ...Evil or Very Mad 

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PostSubject: Re: Fantasy Breeding   Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:12 am

Tom D wrote:

A long, long time ago
I can still remember how that music used to make me smile
And I knew if I had my chance that I could make those people dance
And maybe they'd be happy for a while

But February made me shiver with every paper I'd deliver
Bad news on the doorstep, I couldn't take one more step
I can't remember if I cried when I read about his widowed bride
But something touched me deep inside the day the music died

So bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
And them good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye
Singing this'll be the day that I die, this'll be the day that I die

Did you write the book of love and do you have faith in God above
If the Bible tells you so?
Now do you believe in rock and roll? Can music save your mortal soul?
And can you teach me how to dance real slow?

Well, I know that you're in love with him
'Cause I saw you dancing in the gym
You both kicked off your shoes
Man, I dig those rhythm and blues

I was a lonely teenage bronc'n' buck
With a pink carnation and a pickup truck
But I knew I was out of luck
The day the music died
I started singing bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
And them good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye
Singing this'll be the day that I die, this'll be the day that I die

Now, for ten years we've been on our own
And moss grows fat on a rolling stone
But that's not how it used to be
When the jester sang for the king and queen
In a coat he borrowed from James Dean
And a voice that came from you and me

Oh, and while the king was looking down
The jester stole his thorny crown
The courtroom was adjourned
No verdict was returned

And while Lenin read a book on Marx
The quartet practiced in the park
And we sang dirges in the dark
The day the music died

We were singing bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
And them good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye
Singing this'll be the day that I die, this'll be the day that I die

Helter skelter in a summer swelter
The birds flew off with a fallout shelter
Eight miles high and falling fast
Landed foul on the grass
The players tried for a forward pass
With the jester on the sidelines in a cast

Now the half time air was sweet perfume
While sergeants played a marching tune
We all got up to dance
Oh, but we never got the chance

'Cause the players tried to take the field
The marching band refused to yield
Do you recall what was revealed
The day the music died?

We started singing bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
Them good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye
And singing this'll be the day that I die, this'll be the day that I die

Oh, and there we were all in one place, a generation lost in space
With no time left to start again
So come on Jack be nimble, Jack be quick
Jack Flash sat on a candlestick 'cause fire is the devil's only friend

Oh, and as I watched him on the stage
My hands were clenched in fists of rage
No angel born in hell
Could break that Satan's spell

And as the flames climbed high into the night
To light the sacrificial rite
I saw Satan laughing with delight
The day the music died

He was singing bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
Them good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye
And singing this'll be the day that I die, this'll be the day that I die

I met a girl who sang the blues
And I asked her for some happy news
But she just smiled and turned away
I went down to the sacred store
Where I'd heard the music years before
But the man there said the music wouldn't play

And in the streets the children screamed
The lovers cried and the poets dreamed
But not a word was spoken
The church bells all were broken

And the three men I admire most
The Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost
They caught the last train for the coast
The day the music died

And they were singing bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
Them good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye
Singing this'll be the day that I die, this'll be the day that I die

They were singing, bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
Them good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye
Singing this'll be the day that I die

Begs the question, if Buddy Holly was given the chance would he have chose to drive a Chevy all the way to Altamont if he knew the Jester was on the sidelines in a cast?

The answer to that question I think would certainly be relevant to the concept of “Fantasy” football... You have to admit “Real” football would be hard to play if the marching band refused to yield.
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PostSubject: Re: Fantasy Breeding   Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:05 am

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PostSubject: Re: Fantasy Breeding   Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:09 am

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PostSubject: Re: Fantasy Breeding   Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:48 pm

"She is not in great flesh, but producing 60% plus in a calf is a big deal. If she can do it over years, problem free, and reproduce the same, I am in."

Same guy wrote the above and posted link for the below. RE: Discussion of ancient Angus genetics.


Quote :
In the latest set of numbers he shared with Beef Producer I found these mythbusters:
• The lowest-cost operations were the highest-profit operations. The highest-cost operations were the lowest-profit (really the highest-loss) operations. The two factors are exactly inverse.
The highest-profit operations actually posted lower pregnancy and calving rates than the other three.
• Large size of operation doesn’t specifically beget low costs or profitability.
Simple weaning weights are not very different across the upper three quartiles
• The championship for pounds weaned per cow exposed was not claimed by most profitable quartile (Quartile #2 gets that one).

• Only the lowest-cost, highest-profit quartile is making a reasonable return on assets at about 8%.

In the end, Bevers says, the profit championship always goes to those who are lowest-cost producers and those who tend to do "everything" well. This is true for ranches running stockers just as much or more than for cow operations. The dollar is in the details.
And the beef industry continues to shrink.
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PostSubject: Re: Fantasy Breeding   Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:11 pm

EddieM wrote:
"She is not in great flesh, but producing 60% plus in a calf is a big deal. If she can do it over years, problem free, and reproduce the same, I am in."

Same guy wrote the above and posted link for the below.  RE: Discussion of ancient Angus genetics.


Quote :
In the latest set of numbers he shared with Beef Producer I found these mythbusters:
• The lowest-cost operations were the highest-profit operations. The highest-cost operations were the lowest-profit (really the highest-loss) operations. The two factors are exactly inverse.
The highest-profit operations actually posted lower pregnancy and calving rates than the other three.
• Large size of operation doesn’t specifically beget low costs or profitability.
Simple weaning weights are not very different across the upper three quartiles
• The championship for pounds weaned per cow exposed was not claimed by most profitable quartile (Quartile #2 gets that one).

• Only the lowest-cost, highest-profit quartile is making a reasonable return on assets at about 8%.

In the end, Bevers says, the profit championship always goes to those who are lowest-cost producers and those who tend to do "everything" well. This is true for ranches running stockers just as much or more than for cow operations. The dollar is in the details.
And the beef industry continues to shrink.

Eddie, ignorance is truly bliss...it`s time to comfort rather than condemn the helpless....it`s the registered business; not reality...I sold another bull today for $2000; no papers; no epds; to old time farmers, with no debt...
it`ll be warm enough to golf Saturday...as I told Tom today, I`m not in retirement, just relaxment, and "it`s all good " Smile 
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PostSubject: Re: Fantasy Breeding   Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:45 pm

Week 8 Summary

Hurtin Albertans beat Sailin w/ Da Captain this week to claim first place in Average Joes, knocking out Booyah. Pighammer gained a lot of ground this week, launching from eighth place to fourth. Booyah went the other way, plunging from first to fifth. Pighammer and Hurtin Albertans are both on a three-game win streak.
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PostSubject: Re: Fantasy Breeding   Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:43 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Fantasy Breeding   Wed Oct 30, 2013 2:15 am

It`s so funny to be outside the registered mainstream looking in...or maybe I just "don`t get it"...anyway, a song to honor those who have each other`s back in the con game...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vj092UgKwQ

and for those who it still wasn`t enough...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krfEcvBfUY4

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